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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/04/27/a-little-bit-on-oil-prices/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Set your charts to a forty-year span and see what you get.  I&#039;ve done this in Photoshop, but have no frigging way to get it on this new system.  You can adjust the DOW on your chart source, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Oil/Inflation_Adj_Oil_Prices_Chart.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is a basic shot of oil prices.  I call to your attention 1979, the 1980s, and the year 2000.

Your point on conditions in the Middle East is more valid, and corresponds more directly.

I&#039;ll let podrock or someone else explain how oil futures work.  It&#039;s the same reason that prices spike when something happens in the Middle East, even if it doesn&#039;t affect immediate supplies.

Meanwhile...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://disruptthenarrative.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/gas-pump-activism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Promise Kept&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Set your charts to a forty-year span and see what you get.  I&#8217;ve done this in Photoshop, but have no frigging way to get it on this new system.  You can adjust the DOW on your chart source, and <a href="http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Oil/Inflation_Adj_Oil_Prices_Chart.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a> is a basic shot of oil prices.  I call to your attention 1979, the 1980s, and the year 2000.</p>
<p>Your point on conditions in the Middle East is more valid, and corresponds more directly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let podrock or someone else explain how oil futures work.  It&#8217;s the same reason that prices spike when something happens in the Middle East, even if it doesn&#8217;t affect immediate supplies.</p>
<p>Meanwhile&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://disruptthenarrative.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/gas-pump-activism/" rel="nofollow">Promise Kept</a></p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/04/27/a-little-bit-on-oil-prices/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Bush signs a paper giving the oil industry everything they want and suddenly the price of oil plummets.  It falls even though it will take years, if not decades, from the drill decision to the refining and distribution stage.  That&#039;s not supply and demand, that&#039;s blackmail.

The oil industry recognizes that American reserves are exhausted, and even several big strikes, even though highly profitable to their investors, will be only a drop in the bucket compared to total US consumption.  Supply and demand is not an issue unless we make a huge strike comparable to foreign reserves, and that ain&#039;t going to happen. Ask a geologist, not a business major.

Petroleum prices respond to world markets, as long as most crude comes from the middle east, and we are the world&#039;s greatest consumer, they will set the price of oil.  &quot;Our&quot; oil will go to the highest bidder, just like Saudi and Venezuelan crude does. It&#039;s Republican political propaganda fantasy to think huge savings, or even guaranteed supplies, will be available to us. We will still pay the world price, minus a possible small saving due to cheaper transport costs.

Our oil companies are multinationals, not patriots, and certainly not nationalized; no matter how much crude we pump here it will not affect our price.  Did North Sea oil give the consumers in Norway and the UK a break? Did prices go up when the North slope went dry? Oil is a world market.  Oil produced here goes to the world, it will not be kept here for our SUVs and air conditioners just because of oil executive largesse,  or Joe the Plumber&#039;s RV; unless, of course, the government forces the issue--and nationalizes our oil industry..

The oil companies have vast areas offshore available to them for exploration, they just want access to areas that are easier to get to and cheaper to exploit, that is, of greater environmental threat.  It&#039;s that simple.

And by the way, compare that little commodities chart you posted with this, make sure you set the time range to 5 years and the chart settings/scale to &quot;linear&quot;.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#chart1:symbol=^dji;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chart Link&lt;/a&gt;

I think it is fairly clear oil prices respond to international financial conditions, and the DJIA is pretty much the single best indicator we have of that. The correlation is quite obvious. Smoothed over reasonable time scales, oil prices are set by markets, not by socialist governments or greedy monopolists.  Isn&#039;t that what you&#039;ve been yelling at us for years? 

Of course, if you insist on explaining the oil curve as Obama&#039;s socialism, then you are forced to concede his socialism is doing wonders for the stock market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Bush signs a paper giving the oil industry everything they want and suddenly the price of oil plummets.  It falls even though it will take years, if not decades, from the drill decision to the refining and distribution stage.  That&#8217;s not supply and demand, that&#8217;s blackmail.</p>
<p>The oil industry recognizes that American reserves are exhausted, and even several big strikes, even though highly profitable to their investors, will be only a drop in the bucket compared to total US consumption.  Supply and demand is not an issue unless we make a huge strike comparable to foreign reserves, and that ain&#8217;t going to happen. Ask a geologist, not a business major.</p>
<p>Petroleum prices respond to world markets, as long as most crude comes from the middle east, and we are the world&#8217;s greatest consumer, they will set the price of oil.  &#8220;Our&#8221; oil will go to the highest bidder, just like Saudi and Venezuelan crude does. It&#8217;s Republican political propaganda fantasy to think huge savings, or even guaranteed supplies, will be available to us. We will still pay the world price, minus a possible small saving due to cheaper transport costs.</p>
<p>Our oil companies are multinationals, not patriots, and certainly not nationalized; no matter how much crude we pump here it will not affect our price.  Did North Sea oil give the consumers in Norway and the UK a break? Did prices go up when the North slope went dry? Oil is a world market.  Oil produced here goes to the world, it will not be kept here for our SUVs and air conditioners just because of oil executive largesse,  or Joe the Plumber&#8217;s RV; unless, of course, the government forces the issue&#8211;and nationalizes our oil industry..</p>
<p>The oil companies have vast areas offshore available to them for exploration, they just want access to areas that are easier to get to and cheaper to exploit, that is, of greater environmental threat.  It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>And by the way, compare that little commodities chart you posted with this, make sure you set the time range to 5 years and the chart settings/scale to &#8220;linear&#8221;.  </p>
<p><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#chart1:symbol=^dji;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined" rel="nofollow">Chart Link</a></p>
<p>I think it is fairly clear oil prices respond to international financial conditions, and the DJIA is pretty much the single best indicator we have of that. The correlation is quite obvious. Smoothed over reasonable time scales, oil prices are set by markets, not by socialist governments or greedy monopolists.  Isn&#8217;t that what you&#8217;ve been yelling at us for years? </p>
<p>Of course, if you insist on explaining the oil curve as Obama&#8217;s socialism, then you are forced to concede his socialism is doing wonders for the stock market.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/04/27/a-little-bit-on-oil-prices/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the timing of the exact date of the price peak and Bush&#039;s policy change is a complete coincidence, and the DOW peaking a year earlier isn&#039;t.

Your objection was discussed in detail in the article you didn&#039;t read.  Right-wing porn and all.

Obama can do something about prices.  He can stop trying to murder the fossil fuel industry in America while yelling at other countries to increase production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the timing of the exact date of the price peak and Bush&#8217;s policy change is a complete coincidence, and the DOW peaking a year earlier isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Your objection was discussed in detail in the article you didn&#8217;t read.  Right-wing porn and all.</p>
<p>Obama can do something about prices.  He can stop trying to murder the fossil fuel industry in America while yelling at other countries to increase production.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/04/27/a-little-bit-on-oil-prices/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that graph tells me is that oil prices are tracking pretty much what the Dow Jones has been doing during that same time interval: A steady recovery after the Bush meltdown. As things get better, the oil business raises prices to cash in.  Obama can&#039;t tell them what to do. The linked website is the usual right wing porn, nothing new there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that graph tells me is that oil prices are tracking pretty much what the Dow Jones has been doing during that same time interval: A steady recovery after the Bush meltdown. As things get better, the oil business raises prices to cash in.  Obama can&#8217;t tell them what to do. The linked website is the usual right wing porn, nothing new there.</p>
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