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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You always have to have the last word, don&#039;t you?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You always have to have the last word, don&#8217;t you?  <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 23:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe so, but it might be instructive to someone other than the dead horse.

I am well aware that there is probably no information I could give you that would change your worldview, or that of many others.  Nevertheless, the information exists.  People can look at the facts and draw their own conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe so, but it might be instructive to someone other than the dead horse.</p>
<p>I am well aware that there is probably no information I could give you that would change your worldview, or that of many others.  Nevertheless, the information exists.  People can look at the facts and draw their own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-541</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 23:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet Jesus, TB, leave it alone.  You&#039;re beating a dead horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet Jesus, TB, leave it alone.  You&#8217;re beating a dead horse.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay attention, Tom.  It&#039;s not about the money. It&#039;s about wrecking our military, which I concede is being done more efficiently and economically than investing in our people and our infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay attention, Tom.  It&#8217;s not about the money. It&#8217;s about wrecking our military, which I concede is being done more efficiently and economically than investing in our people and our infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/03/news/economy/federal_state_spending/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2008,&lt;/a&gt; government money accounted for about 26 percent of state expenditures, and of that, 57 percent was Medicaid, leaving 15 percent or less for all the things you&#039;re talking about.  For most of our history, it was a lot less.

Lord knows some states would love to have this be 90 percent.  To get loads of freshly-printed Federal bucks to keep them from having to actually have any kind of fiscal responsibility (they can&#039;t print money).  Doesn&#039;t make it a good idea.

As for your second question, it involves the difference between taxed wealth and created wealth.  Think about it.

First question:  why can&#039;t everyone work for the government and get paid with money from taxes?

Second question:  at what level of government employment and/or dependency does the system break down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/03/news/economy/federal_state_spending/index.htm" rel="nofollow">2008,</a> government money accounted for about 26 percent of state expenditures, and of that, 57 percent was Medicaid, leaving 15 percent or less for all the things you&#8217;re talking about.  For most of our history, it was a lot less.</p>
<p>Lord knows some states would love to have this be 90 percent.  To get loads of freshly-printed Federal bucks to keep them from having to actually have any kind of fiscal responsibility (they can&#8217;t print money).  Doesn&#8217;t make it a good idea.</p>
<p>As for your second question, it involves the difference between taxed wealth and created wealth.  Think about it.</p>
<p>First question:  why can&#8217;t everyone work for the government and get paid with money from taxes?</p>
<p>Second question:  at what level of government employment and/or dependency does the system break down?</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the diagram I linked to.  How much money is currently spend on the money spent on &quot;the poor, the sick, our youth and the aged and on investment for rebuilding our infrastructure?&quot;  I have always granted that a lot of military spending, like most government programs, is wasteful and unnecessary, but we are not going to enter paradise when the wars are over.  We weren&#039;t there before they started.

Another meme I would like to see die is using the term &quot;investment&quot; to refer to spending on things that consistently never return more than that what was spent on them.

Federal &quot;investment&quot; is money targeted to political allies in return for political power.  And almost all of it burns more wealth than it creates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the diagram I linked to.  How much money is currently spend on the money spent on &#8220;the poor, the sick, our youth and the aged and on investment for rebuilding our infrastructure?&#8221;  I have always granted that a lot of military spending, like most government programs, is wasteful and unnecessary, but we are not going to enter paradise when the wars are over.  We weren&#8217;t there before they started.</p>
<p>Another meme I would like to see die is using the term &#8220;investment&#8221; to refer to spending on things that consistently never return more than that what was spent on them.</p>
<p>Federal &#8220;investment&#8221; is money targeted to political allies in return for political power.  And almost all of it burns more wealth than it creates.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 05:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe our Federal Government provides dollars to various states for projects which flow into all the things I mentioned.  I know for a fact that they gave our State some $$ for bridges in the not too distant past.

Oh yeah, and how come when you&#039;re protecting the rich man&#039;s tax money, it flows everywhere boosting the economy but when it comes to Federal monies, the buck stops there?  That&#039;s not logical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe our Federal Government provides dollars to various states for projects which flow into all the things I mentioned.  I know for a fact that they gave our State some $$ for bridges in the not too distant past.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and how come when you&#8217;re protecting the rich man&#8217;s tax money, it flows everywhere boosting the economy but when it comes to Federal monies, the buck stops there?  That&#8217;s not logical.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 21:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just dollars and cents.  It&#039;s wear and tear, and immense human costs.  We&#039;ve been redlining our military for too long, troops and their families are exhausted from multiple deployments, spread too thin. Materiel is wearing out, enlistments are dropping, and good men are leaving before retirement, taking vital skills with them.  And of course, recruiting standards are falling in an effort to fill the gaps. The military is wearing itself out, not getting the rest and maintenance it needs to restore itself. 

Besides, that money we would otherwise be squandering on the poor, the sick, our youth and the aged and on investment for rebuilding our infrastructure and our economy is rusting in the desert instead, or bleeding into the sand, not being recirculated into our economy. It&#039;s not just the dead and the injured, the interrupted lives and the destruction. And it&#039;s not just the money. War is a terrible waste at every level.  Please try to retain that information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just dollars and cents.  It&#8217;s wear and tear, and immense human costs.  We&#8217;ve been redlining our military for too long, troops and their families are exhausted from multiple deployments, spread too thin. Materiel is wearing out, enlistments are dropping, and good men are leaving before retirement, taking vital skills with them.  And of course, recruiting standards are falling in an effort to fill the gaps. The military is wearing itself out, not getting the rest and maintenance it needs to restore itself. </p>
<p>Besides, that money we would otherwise be squandering on the poor, the sick, our youth and the aged and on investment for rebuilding our infrastructure and our economy is rusting in the desert instead, or bleeding into the sand, not being recirculated into our economy. It&#8217;s not just the dead and the injured, the interrupted lives and the destruction. And it&#8217;s not just the money. War is a terrible waste at every level.  Please try to retain that information.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 20:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current annual cost of Afghanistan floats somewhere around $107 billion a year.  This is less than ten days worth of the 2012 Federal budget or about 3 percent.  Iraq is currently down at about $11 billion, which is almost lost in the noise.  Of course, every bit counts, but the two wars aren&#039;t where most of the Federal budget is going.  A nice interactive display &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

I notice nobody wails about &quot;lost government jobs&quot; when we talk about military cuts.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current annual cost of Afghanistan floats somewhere around $107 billion a year.  This is less than ten days worth of the 2012 Federal budget or about 3 percent.  Iraq is currently down at about $11 billion, which is almost lost in the noise.  Of course, every bit counts, but the two wars aren&#8217;t where most of the Federal budget is going.  A nice interactive display <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p>I notice nobody wails about &#8220;lost government jobs&#8221; when we talk about military cuts.  <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/03/where-3-4-billion-dollars-would-be-better-spent/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points.  Particularly the logistics issue, which was a primary reason we couldn&#039;t get boots on the ground during the initial invasion as fast as we could in Iraq, and we had to rely too much on local forces.  In Iraq, we had many direct routes to get large numbers of troops and equipment in.  If Turkey had cooperated, there would have been even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points.  Particularly the logistics issue, which was a primary reason we couldn&#8217;t get boots on the ground during the initial invasion as fast as we could in Iraq, and we had to rely too much on local forces.  In Iraq, we had many direct routes to get large numbers of troops and equipment in.  If Turkey had cooperated, there would have been even more.</p>
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