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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing Jody, the first was probably accurate.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing Jody, the first was probably accurate.  <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: VelociraptorBlade</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-2272</link>
		<dc:creator>VelociraptorBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we&#039;re being attacked by spammers now, sooo :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we&#8217;re being attacked by spammers now, sooo <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 02:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So help me Rob...if you leave I will hop a plane and hump you down...er um...hunt you down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So help me Rob&#8230;if you leave I will hop a plane and hump you down&#8230;er um&#8230;hunt you down.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1495</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone who responded had a valid point to make, Rob, so I&#039;m sort of batting now in cleanup position.

To me the most important point, and the one that I most want to emphasize, is that your contributions matter, and that you&#039;re an integral part of the place. It&#039;s all so insubstantial, constructed out of people, really (cue the Soylent Green jokes) and you could be visualized as helping to hold up the roof. You&#039;re a load-bearing member, dude.

I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re experiencing &quot;UI fatigue&quot;, yet another piece of software to use. I guess my best mea culpa is that I&#039;m trying to return the basic design to its hallowed roots, like you describe; while doing so with modern tech and adding new features I hope will support the mission of conversation.

Which sounds good, but I know that living inside software under development can be like watching sausage being made from inside the slaughterhouse. 

FWIW, development of this software is still my fulltime job, and I&#039;m actively working on the things that are pissing you (and others) off the most. All that confusion over what you can and can&#039;t do because of your &quot;rank&quot; (ugly concept I inherited from the base software) will go away in the next major revision, which will include a new access control system made for a forum.

You&#039;ve hung in here an amazingling long time, Rob, and I can&#039;t help but feel that it would be sadly ironic for you to give up this close to what I feel like might be, if not the &quot;finish line&quot;, at least the rim of the hole we&#039;re dug into. I&#039;m hoping for daylight soon. Please stick around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone who responded had a valid point to make, Rob, so I&#8217;m sort of batting now in cleanup position.</p>
<p>To me the most important point, and the one that I most want to emphasize, is that your contributions matter, and that you&#8217;re an integral part of the place. It&#8217;s all so insubstantial, constructed out of people, really (cue the Soylent Green jokes) and you could be visualized as helping to hold up the roof. You&#8217;re a load-bearing member, dude.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re experiencing &#8220;UI fatigue&#8221;, yet another piece of software to use. I guess my best mea culpa is that I&#8217;m trying to return the basic design to its hallowed roots, like you describe; while doing so with modern tech and adding new features I hope will support the mission of conversation.</p>
<p>Which sounds good, but I know that living inside software under development can be like watching sausage being made from inside the slaughterhouse. </p>
<p>FWIW, development of this software is still my fulltime job, and I&#8217;m actively working on the things that are pissing you (and others) off the most. All that confusion over what you can and can&#8217;t do because of your &#8220;rank&#8221; (ugly concept I inherited from the base software) will go away in the next major revision, which will include a new access control system made for a forum.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve hung in here an amazingling long time, Rob, and I can&#8217;t help but feel that it would be sadly ironic for you to give up this close to what I feel like might be, if not the &#8220;finish line&#8221;, at least the rim of the hole we&#8217;re dug into. I&#8217;m hoping for daylight soon. Please stick around!</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an original HZ, before DamnTikiWiki.  It was a very active site with lots of members for years.  Actually, members is a misnomer.  There was no registration or passwords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an original HZ, before DamnTikiWiki.  It was a very active site with lots of members for years.  Actually, members is a misnomer.  There was no registration or passwords.</p>
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		<title>By: VelociraptorBlade</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>VelociraptorBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 07:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF we ever blossom into a larger site with more and more members, then the captcha and email requirement will be a livesave.  They&#039;re annoying, but necessary.

Also? First rule of internet lit I learned from my blog - Just because noone responds doesn&#039;t men it isn&#039;t being read.  Often, they may respond on other sites.  Granted, it&#039;s annoying sometimes, but are comments the reason you post your threads?  Or is it because you want your voice to be heard? You decide.

I&#039;m not sure which &quot;original&quot; zone you&#039;re talking about - from what I&#039;ve heard, the Zone has gone through several different formats.  I HOPE you&#039;re not talking about DamnTikiWiki....

In the long run, I strongly advocate against leaving the site.  IF you want to, then I can&#039;t stop you, but your threads DO resonate within my mind.

You leave an imprint here.  Don&#039;t leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF we ever blossom into a larger site with more and more members, then the captcha and email requirement will be a livesave.  They&#8217;re annoying, but necessary.</p>
<p>Also? First rule of internet lit I learned from my blog &#8211; Just because noone responds doesn&#8217;t men it isn&#8217;t being read.  Often, they may respond on other sites.  Granted, it&#8217;s annoying sometimes, but are comments the reason you post your threads?  Or is it because you want your voice to be heard? You decide.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure which &#8220;original&#8221; zone you&#8217;re talking about &#8211; from what I&#8217;ve heard, the Zone has gone through several different formats.  I HOPE you&#8217;re not talking about DamnTikiWiki&#8230;.</p>
<p>In the long run, I strongly advocate against leaving the site.  IF you want to, then I can&#8217;t stop you, but your threads DO resonate within my mind.</p>
<p>You leave an imprint here.  Don&#8217;t leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 14:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your posts.  I often don&#039;t have anything to say in response.  If the membership were larger, I&#039;m sure you would generate more comments.  

Now if you really want go generate discussion, just poke TB.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your posts.  I often don&#8217;t have anything to say in response.  If the membership were larger, I&#8217;m sure you would generate more comments.  </p>
<p>Now if you really want go generate discussion, just poke TB.  <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 18:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, you are registered with the site at the level of &quot;author&quot; which is the same as the testuser Rita Book.  

We have to try and re-think the caste system and the various powers each level has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, you are registered with the site at the level of &#8220;author&#8221; which is the same as the testuser Rita Book.  </p>
<p>We have to try and re-think the caste system and the various powers each level has.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 17:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had a nickel for every post I&#039;ve made that sinks, alone and ignored, under the choppy waves of the &#039;Zone, I could give up my paper route.

I think part of it is that you&#039;re a reasonable, moderate person. It&#039;s hard to argue with reasonable, moderate opinions. They&#039;re just so damn...reasonable. And moderate.

I read all your posts and expect most everyone here does the same. Most of the time my reply would be &quot;That&#039;s interesting, didn&#039;t know that. Thanks!&quot; which might get a little old after 50 or 60 posts.

We all know this place ebbs and flows. There&#039;s bound to be times when one resonates (great word for it) more powerfully than at others. Personally, when I&#039;ve taken breaks in the past it&#039;s most often because I&#039;ve become alarmed at the kinds of things I&#039;ve found myself saying.

I&#039;d be really sad to see you leave, unless it&#039;s just a temporary hiatus, in which case we&#039;ll keep your chair open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a nickel for every post I&#8217;ve made that sinks, alone and ignored, under the choppy waves of the &#8216;Zone, I could give up my paper route.</p>
<p>I think part of it is that you&#8217;re a reasonable, moderate person. It&#8217;s hard to argue with reasonable, moderate opinions. They&#8217;re just so damn&#8230;reasonable. And moderate.</p>
<p>I read all your posts and expect most everyone here does the same. Most of the time my reply would be &#8220;That&#8217;s interesting, didn&#8217;t know that. Thanks!&#8221; which might get a little old after 50 or 60 posts.</p>
<p>We all know this place ebbs and flows. There&#8217;s bound to be times when one resonates (great word for it) more powerfully than at others. Personally, when I&#8217;ve taken breaks in the past it&#8217;s most often because I&#8217;ve become alarmed at the kinds of things I&#8217;ve found myself saying.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be really sad to see you leave, unless it&#8217;s just a temporary hiatus, in which case we&#8217;ll keep your chair open.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/05/27/oh-for-crying-outloud/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 17:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to try and help you out.  I&#039;m trying to find out what features are &quot;normal&quot; here and what are available only to editors.

I&#039;m assuming you&#039;re registered like most of the rest of us are.  If not, you should have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to try and help you out.  I&#8217;m trying to find out what features are &#8220;normal&#8221; here and what are available only to editors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;re registered like most of the rest of us are.  If not, you should have been.</p>
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