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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2196</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Counting backwards by 7&#039;s is easy.  I did it pretty fast.  It&#039;s all in numerical relationships.  I&#039;m good with relationships.  I just don&#039;t always like the people in them.  :-)

(*JK*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counting backwards by 7&#8242;s is easy.  I did it pretty fast.  It&#8217;s all in numerical relationships.  I&#8217;m good with relationships.  I just don&#8217;t always like the people in them.  <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(*JK*)</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2195</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy.  The left is your other right.</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2189</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a sentence in the intro to Dr Goodman&#039;s calc text, it went something like this...&quot;Developing a taste for calculus is like developing a taste for black olives. Some of you will never get it. But for those who do, they will be the first mountain in your mathematical career.  There will be other mountains, both higher and steeper, but this is the one you will remember the most, and the one with the sweetest view from the top.&quot;

Arithmetic is the science of specific amounts. Algebra is the science of general amounts.  Calculus is the science of changing amounts.  

I flunked Calculus I, took it again and passed it with a C.  After I came back from the Navy I took it a third time for a refresher and the best I could do was a B.  I took 4 calculus courses and never aced one of them. But when I finally put Dr Goodman&#039;s book away, I felt a greater sense of accomplishment than when I earned my degree.

But the book of nature is written in Differential Equations. In DE you use calculus like you used algebra when you were doing calculus, and arithmetic when you were doing algebra.

One of the proudest moments in my life was when my wife finished her Calculus IV course at DeAnza (she had never graduated from high school when I married her).  

Computers can certainly solve calculus problems, but doing calculus &quot;on paper&quot; can actually create new problems, new equations.
Most physical laws are expressed as differential equations.  Bear with me for a moment here...

Newton defined a force as the derivative of momentum. Momentum p
is mass m times velocity v. That&#039;s human genius; here, calculus takes over

So F = dp/dt = d(mv)/dt 

and by the chain rule

= m(dv/dt) + v(dm/dt)

dv/dt, the derivative of velocity,
is just the acceleration, so the first term is just F = ma, Force  = mass times acceleration..  The second term drops out because the derivative of the mass is 0. Mass does not change.  At least, not until Einstein came along. There are no numbers there at all, just abstract quantities, but not only does it show us how to calculate the force on a rocket (where the mass changes as  propellant is consumed) but it even hints at the relativistic case where the moving mass itself DOES change.

The point is calculus just doesn&#039;t solve problems, it gives us a way to think about problems, and rephrase them, and even suggest answers. When I first realized that I freaked. That is POWER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a sentence in the intro to Dr Goodman&#8217;s calc text, it went something like this&#8230;&#8221;Developing a taste for calculus is like developing a taste for black olives. Some of you will never get it. But for those who do, they will be the first mountain in your mathematical career.  There will be other mountains, both higher and steeper, but this is the one you will remember the most, and the one with the sweetest view from the top.&#8221;</p>
<p>Arithmetic is the science of specific amounts. Algebra is the science of general amounts.  Calculus is the science of changing amounts.  </p>
<p>I flunked Calculus I, took it again and passed it with a C.  After I came back from the Navy I took it a third time for a refresher and the best I could do was a B.  I took 4 calculus courses and never aced one of them. But when I finally put Dr Goodman&#8217;s book away, I felt a greater sense of accomplishment than when I earned my degree.</p>
<p>But the book of nature is written in Differential Equations. In DE you use calculus like you used algebra when you were doing calculus, and arithmetic when you were doing algebra.</p>
<p>One of the proudest moments in my life was when my wife finished her Calculus IV course at DeAnza (she had never graduated from high school when I married her).  </p>
<p>Computers can certainly solve calculus problems, but doing calculus &#8220;on paper&#8221; can actually create new problems, new equations.<br />
Most physical laws are expressed as differential equations.  Bear with me for a moment here&#8230;</p>
<p>Newton defined a force as the derivative of momentum. Momentum p<br />
is mass m times velocity v. That&#8217;s human genius; here, calculus takes over</p>
<p>So F = dp/dt = d(mv)/dt </p>
<p>and by the chain rule</p>
<p>= m(dv/dt) + v(dm/dt)</p>
<p>dv/dt, the derivative of velocity,<br />
is just the acceleration, so the first term is just F = ma, Force  = mass times acceleration..  The second term drops out because the derivative of the mass is 0. Mass does not change.  At least, not until Einstein came along. There are no numbers there at all, just abstract quantities, but not only does it show us how to calculate the force on a rocket (where the mass changes as  propellant is consumed) but it even hints at the relativistic case where the moving mass itself DOES change.</p>
<p>The point is calculus just doesn&#8217;t solve problems, it gives us a way to think about problems, and rephrase them, and even suggest answers. When I first realized that I freaked. That is POWER.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2186</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did okay in algebra and aced trig and geometry in high school.  My downfall in college was calculus.  It was at this point that I learned that I could instruct computers to solve integral equations for me by brute force.  I still use algebra, trig and geometry a great deal, but still rely on programming and design software to solve the heavier stuff.  I couldn&#039;t do calculus on paper to save my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did okay in algebra and aced trig and geometry in high school.  My downfall in college was calculus.  It was at this point that I learned that I could instruct computers to solve integral equations for me by brute force.  I still use algebra, trig and geometry a great deal, but still rely on programming and design software to solve the heavier stuff.  I couldn&#8217;t do calculus on paper to save my life.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2185</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife can&#039;t tell her left from her right either, but she has an uncanny sense of direction, she always knows where North is (I do not, unless I can see the sky). Go figure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife can&#8217;t tell her left from her right either, but she has an uncanny sense of direction, she always knows where North is (I do not, unless I can see the sky). Go figure</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2184</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to be an astronomer, and I knew that required lots of math. So I took all the math offered at my high school (up to limits and the derivative), even though my very good math teacher counseled me to go for a career in English or the humanities instead.

When I got to college I struggled with math. Although I had a great intuition for physical science, that will only take you so far. Without the math you really can&#039;t get any creative work done. But I stuck with it, and by the time I finished my astronomy degree
I was 3 undergraduate courses short of a degree in math, so I took them, passed with C&#039;s and got the second Bachelors. It damned near killed me, though.  I&#039;d never studied so hard.

My undergraduate grades were above average, but not superior. I was a B student. (This was before grade inflation!) The highest level math I was exposed to was partial differential equations and some complex analysis.

It wasn&#039;t until my second term in astronomy graduate school that I realized I was out of my depth. I hit a wall.  I realized I might kill myself and eventually get a Master&#039;s in Astronomy, but I would never get any higher, never do any really creative work in research. I was destined to play Piano Bar at some community college, not Bach at Carnegie Hall. I quit and went to work overseas to get my head sorted out.

Math is like music, or foreign languages.  Anyone can do it, if you work hard enough.  But some people have a real talent for it, and they are the ones who get to do the really neat things. I envy them.  They are very lucky people.

I&#039;ve pretty much forgotten most of my calculus and DE, and my linear algebra and set theory--I haven&#039;t used them since I left school. I&#039;m still pretty conversant with my trigonometry and algebra, because I use it in navigation a lot.  So I have managed to retain pretty much what I had when I left high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to be an astronomer, and I knew that required lots of math. So I took all the math offered at my high school (up to limits and the derivative), even though my very good math teacher counseled me to go for a career in English or the humanities instead.</p>
<p>When I got to college I struggled with math. Although I had a great intuition for physical science, that will only take you so far. Without the math you really can&#8217;t get any creative work done. But I stuck with it, and by the time I finished my astronomy degree<br />
I was 3 undergraduate courses short of a degree in math, so I took them, passed with C&#8217;s and got the second Bachelors. It damned near killed me, though.  I&#8217;d never studied so hard.</p>
<p>My undergraduate grades were above average, but not superior. I was a B student. (This was before grade inflation!) The highest level math I was exposed to was partial differential equations and some complex analysis.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until my second term in astronomy graduate school that I realized I was out of my depth. I hit a wall.  I realized I might kill myself and eventually get a Master&#8217;s in Astronomy, but I would never get any higher, never do any really creative work in research. I was destined to play Piano Bar at some community college, not Bach at Carnegie Hall. I quit and went to work overseas to get my head sorted out.</p>
<p>Math is like music, or foreign languages.  Anyone can do it, if you work hard enough.  But some people have a real talent for it, and they are the ones who get to do the really neat things. I envy them.  They are very lucky people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve pretty much forgotten most of my calculus and DE, and my linear algebra and set theory&#8211;I haven&#8217;t used them since I left school. I&#8217;m still pretty conversant with my trigonometry and algebra, because I use it in navigation a lot.  So I have managed to retain pretty much what I had when I left high school.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in elementary school, I was terrible with math. Easily my poorest subject. Having an interest in science, I knew I had to become better with numbers, so fluency with math became a goal. It didn&#039;t happen overnight, but it did happen, and by the time I hit high school I was considered something of a math whiz. Or perhaps it was idiot savant, I can&#039;t recall.

Anyway, it wasn&#039;t a matter of overcoming a disorder, it was a matter of attaining (and retaining) the required skills.

Anyone who doesn&#039;t either work or play with numbers will get rusty with them after a while. Hence figuring a tip or proper change may become something of a challenge. It doesn&#039;t help that those people may also cramp up a bit further with math-phobia.

I&#039;m a firm beleiver in the notion that anyone can become, and remain, fluent and relaxed with numbers if they simply exercise their numerical abilities once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in elementary school, I was terrible with math. Easily my poorest subject. Having an interest in science, I knew I had to become better with numbers, so fluency with math became a goal. It didn&#8217;t happen overnight, but it did happen, and by the time I hit high school I was considered something of a math whiz. Or perhaps it was idiot savant, I can&#8217;t recall.</p>
<p>Anyway, it wasn&#8217;t a matter of overcoming a disorder, it was a matter of attaining (and retaining) the required skills.</p>
<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t either work or play with numbers will get rusty with them after a while. Hence figuring a tip or proper change may become something of a challenge. It doesn&#8217;t help that those people may also cramp up a bit further with math-phobia.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a firm beleiver in the notion that anyone can become, and remain, fluent and relaxed with numbers if they simply exercise their numerical abilities once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIGHT!!!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIGHT!!!!! <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/14/what-a-lousy-disorder/#comment-2160</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oprah can&#039;t tell your left from your right?

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oprah can&#8217;t tell your left from your right?<br />
 <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now wait just a darn minute.  Count backwards from 100 by 7s as a test?

I&#039;d have to do each subtraction in my head one at a time.  And yes, my fingers sometimes start moving when I&#039;m dealing with thirteens and fourteens, or figuring a tip.

This popped out to my cynical eye:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dyscalculia researchers have speculated that the disorder gets less attention than dyslexia and other reading disorders for the same reason - it&#039;s not seen an urgent crisis like illiteracy. Research dollars bear this out. According to Butterworth&#039;s paper, the National Institute of Health has spent almost 50 times more money on dyslexia than dyscalculia since 2000 ($107.2 million vs. $2.3 million).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Follow the money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now wait just a darn minute.  Count backwards from 100 by 7s as a test?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to do each subtraction in my head one at a time.  And yes, my fingers sometimes start moving when I&#8217;m dealing with thirteens and fourteens, or figuring a tip.</p>
<p>This popped out to my cynical eye:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dyscalculia researchers have speculated that the disorder gets less attention than dyslexia and other reading disorders for the same reason &#8211; it&#8217;s not seen an urgent crisis like illiteracy. Research dollars bear this out. According to Butterworth&#8217;s paper, the National Institute of Health has spent almost 50 times more money on dyslexia than dyscalculia since 2000 ($107.2 million vs. $2.3 million).</p></blockquote>
<p>Follow the money?</p>
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