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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2945</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 02:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fund space with video games.  I play World of Warcraft in my spare time, as do millions of other people, and we pay $15 a month to do so.  Blizzard Entertainment brings in well over $1 billion a year just on game subscriptions alone, and they make a lot more from merchandise.  Why can&#039;t someone come up with an online game and use most of the profits to fund a private space program?  The players would be extremely loyal knowing that every rocket launch was funded by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fund space with video games.  I play World of Warcraft in my spare time, as do millions of other people, and we pay $15 a month to do so.  Blizzard Entertainment brings in well over $1 billion a year just on game subscriptions alone, and they make a lot more from merchandise.  Why can&#8217;t someone come up with an online game and use most of the profits to fund a private space program?  The players would be extremely loyal knowing that every rocket launch was funded by them.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2896</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with any of that.  I never said I was opposed to private space industry, or any patronage to scientists or artists, as in Renaissance Italy.

And I remember very well when the remote sensing industry was privatized by Reagan, after it was developed by Federal $. I was working in it when it happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with any of that.  I never said I was opposed to private space industry, or any patronage to scientists or artists, as in Renaissance Italy.</p>
<p>And I remember very well when the remote sensing industry was privatized by Reagan, after it was developed by Federal $. I was working in it when it happened.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2890</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been a lot of money made in space.  Communication satellites, for one thing.  Tourism has near-term potential.  There will be more.

A lot of science used to be funded by wealthy patrons.  The Lick Observatory, which comes to mind because I can see it from my house, was funded by James Lick, who was the richest man in California when he died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a lot of money made in space.  Communication satellites, for one thing.  Tourism has near-term potential.  There will be more.</p>
<p>A lot of science used to be funded by wealthy patrons.  The Lick Observatory, which comes to mind because I can see it from my house, was funded by James Lick, who was the richest man in California when he died.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2881</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish the free enterprise space weenies would just quit whining and build us some spaceships.  If there is no market incentive for going into space, so be it.

If there is, do it.  You can&#039;t expect the government to subsidize you forever.

Damn.  I&#039;ve always wanted to say that!

Seriously, I have nothing against free enterprise in space. In fact, I&#039;m all in favor of it, because it seems the government is quickly losing public support for space exploration and I haven&#039;t seen enough yet.  We need space like we need billion dollar atom smashers and observatory complexes.  But there is no short-term profit to be made in space any more than there is in big astronomy or physics projects here.  The payoffs are always indirect and in the far future, and you can&#039;t patent the Higgs Boson or distant quasars.

But we&#039;ve covered all this ground before.
If there were gold and platinum bars neatly stacked on the moon&#039;s surface, we still couldn&#039;t bring them back cheaply enough to make a profit or support a business.  Space enterprise is going to have to survive on government contracts or government subsidies for the forseeable future.  The government will either be a customer, an investor, or both, until we either find something of great immediate cash value in space to attract private capital, or until some technological breakthrough lowers the costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish the free enterprise space weenies would just quit whining and build us some spaceships.  If there is no market incentive for going into space, so be it.</p>
<p>If there is, do it.  You can&#8217;t expect the government to subsidize you forever.</p>
<p>Damn.  I&#8217;ve always wanted to say that!</p>
<p>Seriously, I have nothing against free enterprise in space. In fact, I&#8217;m all in favor of it, because it seems the government is quickly losing public support for space exploration and I haven&#8217;t seen enough yet.  We need space like we need billion dollar atom smashers and observatory complexes.  But there is no short-term profit to be made in space any more than there is in big astronomy or physics projects here.  The payoffs are always indirect and in the far future, and you can&#8217;t patent the Higgs Boson or distant quasars.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve covered all this ground before.<br />
If there were gold and platinum bars neatly stacked on the moon&#8217;s surface, we still couldn&#8217;t bring them back cheaply enough to make a profit or support a business.  Space enterprise is going to have to survive on government contracts or government subsidies for the forseeable future.  The government will either be a customer, an investor, or both, until we either find something of great immediate cash value in space to attract private capital, or until some technological breakthrough lowers the costs.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2784</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent over half my life trying to get private spaceflight &quot;off the ground&quot; so to speak.  Turned out the best way to get investment in your space company was to be rich enough from something else to actually be the investor.  So it goes.

But I have to say I&#039;m really glad to see it happening now, even if I&#039;m watching from the sidelines.  Between SpaceX, Bigelow, and others, there is a broad and robust private space industry building, with all the tools needed to put humanity into space in a big way.  And they&#039;re going to figure out how to make big money doing it, unlike NASA, which is actually legally prohibited from doing so, and had no real incentive to control costs or be creative in low-cost design tradeoffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent over half my life trying to get private spaceflight &#8220;off the ground&#8221; so to speak.  Turned out the best way to get investment in your space company was to be rich enough from something else to actually be the investor.  So it goes.</p>
<p>But I have to say I&#8217;m really glad to see it happening now, even if I&#8217;m watching from the sidelines.  Between SpaceX, Bigelow, and others, there is a broad and robust private space industry building, with all the tools needed to put humanity into space in a big way.  And they&#8217;re going to figure out how to make big money doing it, unlike NASA, which is actually legally prohibited from doing so, and had no real incentive to control costs or be creative in low-cost design tradeoffs.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could see where it might have wide appeal. It doesn&#039;t throw the whole shebang under the bus, but it raises cost issues that I&#039;m sure concern most Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could see where it might have wide appeal. It doesn&#8217;t throw the whole shebang under the bus, but it raises cost issues that I&#8217;m sure concern most Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2739</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a bone of contention in the private space industry for years.  Is the government as customer (paying to buy a product) the same as the government as developer (government paying to create a new product)?  Where are the (somewhat fuzzy) lines drawn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a bone of contention in the private space industry for years.  Is the government as customer (paying to buy a product) the same as the government as developer (government paying to create a new product)?  Where are the (somewhat fuzzy) lines drawn?</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/23/tea-party-space-platform/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new release uses the words &quot;tax incentives for space investment...&quot;

The Platform document talks about congress funding the development of 3 systems to get astronauts to orbit. I realize that governments incur legitimate expenses, but is this an exercise in free market economics? I mean, if there were commercial reasons for those systems to be developed, would it not happen in the normal course of business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new release uses the words &#8220;tax incentives for space investment&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The Platform document talks about congress funding the development of 3 systems to get astronauts to orbit. I realize that governments incur legitimate expenses, but is this an exercise in free market economics? I mean, if there were commercial reasons for those systems to be developed, would it not happen in the normal course of business?</p>
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