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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-3018</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I recall a surplus that was destroyed by two wars and a tax cut.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not strictly accurate.  The projected deficit for just this year alone (2011) is more than the entire cost of the wars to date in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

When we were debating extending the Bush tax cuts, it was estimated that over the next ten years the cuts would reduce revenues by $3.5 trillion, or an average of $350 billion a year.  The &lt;em&gt;smallest&lt;/em&gt; predicted annual deficit in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12130/04-15-AnalysisPresidentsBudget.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&#039;s budget&lt;/a&gt; for the next ten years is $748 billion.

And Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.  All of them.  Why?  What were the reasons he gave?

You can look at the Bush tax cut breakdown &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_33/b4191056678648.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; to see for yourself how many of these tax cuts were &quot;for the rich,&quot; and how many were for all the rest of us.

It&#039;s not the revenues.  It&#039;s the spending.  It has always been the spending.  And almost all of it is for the military, social spending, and entitlements.  Go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&#039;s front budget page,&lt;/a&gt; and open up that little graphic.  That small box on the lower right is everything else, and that&#039;s only if you don&#039;t count veteran benefits as military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I recall a surplus that was destroyed by two wars and a tax cut.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Not strictly accurate.  The projected deficit for just this year alone (2011) is more than the entire cost of the wars to date in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.</p>
<p>When we were debating extending the Bush tax cuts, it was estimated that over the next ten years the cuts would reduce revenues by $3.5 trillion, or an average of $350 billion a year.  The <em>smallest</em> predicted annual deficit in <a href="http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12130/04-15-AnalysisPresidentsBudget.pdf" rel="nofollow">Obama&#8217;s budget</a> for the next ten years is $748 billion.</p>
<p>And Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.  All of them.  Why?  What were the reasons he gave?</p>
<p>You can look at the Bush tax cut breakdown <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_33/b4191056678648.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> to see for yourself how many of these tax cuts were &#8220;for the rich,&#8221; and how many were for all the rest of us.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the revenues.  It&#8217;s the spending.  It has always been the spending.  And almost all of it is for the military, social spending, and entitlements.  Go to <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget" rel="nofollow">Obama&#8217;s front budget page,</a> and open up that little graphic.  That small box on the lower right is everything else, and that&#8217;s only if you don&#8217;t count veteran benefits as military.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-3008</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall a surplus that was destroyed by two wars and a tax cut.  Billions simply lost in the desert, massive over-billing for substandard construction, lost bribes, etc.  This far and no further could have been the cry in that crazy spring of aught 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall a surplus that was destroyed by two wars and a tax cut.  Billions simply lost in the desert, massive over-billing for substandard construction, lost bribes, etc.  This far and no further could have been the cry in that crazy spring of aught 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-3007</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to ask yourself one question.  Do we continue to give the idiots in Washington more and more rope to wrap around all of our necks so as not to hurt the feelings of international traders, or do we force them to start living within our means?   I would much rather some people stop buying our bonds now while we are still in control...at least nominally, than to have everyone stop buying our bonds because our national debt is greater than our GDP.  The drunken sailors in Washington, of both parties, have made it perfectly clear over the past few decades that they are incapable of handling this situation in any reasonable way.  

Talk of deficit reduction has been going on for most of my life and what do we have to show for it?  A $14+ TRILLION government induced dept and yearly deficits of over $1 TRIILION is what.  A line in the sand must be drawn here.  This far and no further!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to ask yourself one question.  Do we continue to give the idiots in Washington more and more rope to wrap around all of our necks so as not to hurt the feelings of international traders, or do we force them to start living within our means?   I would much rather some people stop buying our bonds now while we are still in control&#8230;at least nominally, than to have everyone stop buying our bonds because our national debt is greater than our GDP.  The drunken sailors in Washington, of both parties, have made it perfectly clear over the past few decades that they are incapable of handling this situation in any reasonable way.  </p>
<p>Talk of deficit reduction has been going on for most of my life and what do we have to show for it?  A $14+ TRILLION government induced dept and yearly deficits of over $1 TRIILION is what.  A line in the sand must be drawn here.  This far and no further!</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-3005</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Market operate on emotion as much as anything else.  Investers will not like it and will stop buying our bonds.  Then you&#039;ve got trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Market operate on emotion as much as anything else.  Investers will not like it and will stop buying our bonds.  Then you&#8217;ve got trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-3004</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no default.  That&#039;s like saying you default when you hit the maximum limit on your credit card.  All not raising the debt ceiling would do is keep the Congress from borrowing anymore money.  The loans which are outstanding would still be paid, they just couldn&#039;t borrow any more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no default.  That&#8217;s like saying you default when you hit the maximum limit on your credit card.  All not raising the debt ceiling would do is keep the Congress from borrowing anymore money.  The loans which are outstanding would still be paid, they just couldn&#8217;t borrow any more money.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2967</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just can&#039;t bring yourself to address the point?  You keep changing the subject and talking about how horrible the debt is and pretending democrats don&#039;t care about it.  WHAT ABOUT THE DEFAULT YOUR TEA PARTY LUNATICS ARE TRYING TO CAUSE?  THAT is rattling the financial markets WAY more right now than any long term debt issues.  Do you support this insane idea?  Are you that dumb?  Do you not realize it would be apocalyptic to our economy?  Don&#039;t change the subject.  Grow a sack and admit defaulting on the debt is a stupid idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just can&#8217;t bring yourself to address the point?  You keep changing the subject and talking about how horrible the debt is and pretending democrats don&#8217;t care about it.  WHAT ABOUT THE DEFAULT YOUR TEA PARTY LUNATICS ARE TRYING TO CAUSE?  THAT is rattling the financial markets WAY more right now than any long term debt issues.  Do you support this insane idea?  Are you that dumb?  Do you not realize it would be apocalyptic to our economy?  Don&#8217;t change the subject.  Grow a sack and admit defaulting on the debt is a stupid idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2942</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;we&quot; all know the debt has to be addressed, then why are the people in Washington continuing to spend ever increasing amount of money?  I think your notion is flawed.  The people piling on the debt don&#039;t give a shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;we&#8221; all know the debt has to be addressed, then why are the people in Washington continuing to spend ever increasing amount of money?  I think your notion is flawed.  The people piling on the debt don&#8217;t give a shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2941</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you have to be insane to think it&#039;s fine to borrow money just to pay the interest on money you&#039;ve previously borrowed.By not raising the debt ceiling, the morons in Washinton will be forced to come to grips with their out of control spending.  

It&#039;s the spending stupid!  They can&#039;t keep borrowing forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you have to be insane to think it&#8217;s fine to borrow money just to pay the interest on money you&#8217;ve previously borrowed.By not raising the debt ceiling, the morons in Washinton will be forced to come to grips with their out of control spending.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the spending stupid!  They can&#8217;t keep borrowing forever.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2932</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;After all, the only plan they seem to have is to cut spending and lower taxes. Jobs and the economy will miraculously improve if they only can get their way.  They can then dismantle all social programs and the safety net, vote themselves a business-friendly and tax-free environment, and not even have to worry about paying off our international creditors.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You forgot the part where the Republicans are going to sell Earth to the Lizard People from Mars, and put all the quatloos into giant money bins where they can dive around in it like a porpoise.

If anybody here wants to discuss actual Democratic and Republican ideas, it might be kind of interesting.  If the Democratic plan is to increase spending and raise taxes, I urge them to run on it next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;After all, the only plan they seem to have is to cut spending and lower taxes. Jobs and the economy will miraculously improve if they only can get their way.  They can then dismantle all social programs and the safety net, vote themselves a business-friendly and tax-free environment, and not even have to worry about paying off our international creditors.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You forgot the part where the Republicans are going to sell Earth to the Lizard People from Mars, and put all the quatloos into giant money bins where they can dive around in it like a porpoise.</p>
<p>If anybody here wants to discuss actual Democratic and Republican ideas, it might be kind of interesting.  If the Democratic plan is to increase spending and raise taxes, I urge them to run on it next year.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/25/plan-b-on-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2931</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe ruining the nation&#039;s credit rating is precisely the point.  The whole plan may be to wreck the economy while a Dem is in charge, so they can take control of the White House and Congress, and blame the resulting disaster on the Liberals.  

After all, the only plan they seem to have is to cut spending and lower taxes.  Jobs and the economy will miraculously improve if they only can get their way. They can then dismantle all social programs and the safety net, vote themselves a business-friendly and tax-free environment, and not even have to worry about paying off our international creditors.  After all, businesses go Chapter 11 all the time--fire their employees, screw their creditors, sell off their assets and leave their investors holding the bag. Only upper management makes out. Why not do it to a whole country?

It&#039;s not a stupid plan.  It&#039;s a very clever, long-term one. I think they&#039;ve been implementing it since the Reagan Administration, and they&#039;ve been planning it a lot longer than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe ruining the nation&#8217;s credit rating is precisely the point.  The whole plan may be to wreck the economy while a Dem is in charge, so they can take control of the White House and Congress, and blame the resulting disaster on the Liberals.  </p>
<p>After all, the only plan they seem to have is to cut spending and lower taxes.  Jobs and the economy will miraculously improve if they only can get their way. They can then dismantle all social programs and the safety net, vote themselves a business-friendly and tax-free environment, and not even have to worry about paying off our international creditors.  After all, businesses go Chapter 11 all the time&#8211;fire their employees, screw their creditors, sell off their assets and leave their investors holding the bag. Only upper management makes out. Why not do it to a whole country?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a stupid plan.  It&#8217;s a very clever, long-term one. I think they&#8217;ve been implementing it since the Reagan Administration, and they&#8217;ve been planning it a lot longer than that.</p>
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