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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3112</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure all of us have worked for &quot;good bosses&quot;, people who understood the job and their people, and treated both with respect.  Whenever in that environment, I&#039;ve noticed morale and productivity soar, creativity and innovation flourishes.  People are happy, and their work benefits, and so does the enterprise, whether it be private or public. It&#039;s just the opposite for a bad boss.  The enterprise suffers.

Part of the job of a good boss is to (as best he can) insulate his subordinates from the stupidity of his superiors, because as we all know, the First Law of corporate physics is &quot;Shit rolls down hill&quot;.  

But in the competition between good and bad bosses, the bad always has an advantage.  After all, he doesn&#039;t really care for his employees or the company.  He just wants to further his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure all of us have worked for &#8220;good bosses&#8221;, people who understood the job and their people, and treated both with respect.  Whenever in that environment, I&#8217;ve noticed morale and productivity soar, creativity and innovation flourishes.  People are happy, and their work benefits, and so does the enterprise, whether it be private or public. It&#8217;s just the opposite for a bad boss.  The enterprise suffers.</p>
<p>Part of the job of a good boss is to (as best he can) insulate his subordinates from the stupidity of his superiors, because as we all know, the First Law of corporate physics is &#8220;Shit rolls down hill&#8221;.  </p>
<p>But in the competition between good and bad bosses, the bad always has an advantage.  After all, he doesn&#8217;t really care for his employees or the company.  He just wants to further his career.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3109</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  But at least the boss has some justification to be a GOB, he is responsible for the business.  Besides, we both know the HR department is easily bypassed when the boss really wants a specific candidate.

HR&#039;s primary function is to act as a filter that can&#039;t be challenged in court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  But at least the boss has some justification to be a GOB, he is responsible for the business.  Besides, we both know the HR department is easily bypassed when the boss really wants a specific candidate.</p>
<p>HR&#8217;s primary function is to act as a filter that can&#8217;t be challenged in court.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3106</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be fair, these things have been a &quot;good ole boy club&quot; since time immemorial.  Even when the boss hired personally, it never hurt to know the guy, be referred by a mutual friend, or be married to his daughter.  I got my job at Gravity Probe B when someone who used to work with me at a rocket company went to work there and gave me a good reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be fair, these things have been a &#8220;good ole boy club&#8221; since time immemorial.  Even when the boss hired personally, it never hurt to know the guy, be referred by a mutual friend, or be married to his daughter.  I got my job at Gravity Probe B when someone who used to work with me at a rocket company went to work there and gave me a good reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3103</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I started out at the RI, I worked for a real boss who took care of his employees, communicated well and kept all employees abreast of everything about the company&#039;s goals and financial aspects.  When new Directors took over, that closeness and care for/about the employees went away.  While we never had a &quot;grand vizier,&quot; we did have men (all men in this instance) who didn&#039;t care to maintain the closeness with employees.  The last one had potential and he was turning into a great director.  So how long will he stay before moving on?  Success breeds opportunity--elsewhere.  And HR was already entrenched.

Part of the problem at Universities is the University mentality where higher education is prized above all, including performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started out at the RI, I worked for a real boss who took care of his employees, communicated well and kept all employees abreast of everything about the company&#8217;s goals and financial aspects.  When new Directors took over, that closeness and care for/about the employees went away.  While we never had a &#8220;grand vizier,&#8221; we did have men (all men in this instance) who didn&#8217;t care to maintain the closeness with employees.  The last one had potential and he was turning into a great director.  So how long will he stay before moving on?  Success breeds opportunity&#8211;elsewhere.  And HR was already entrenched.</p>
<p>Part of the problem at Universities is the University mentality where higher education is prized above all, including performance.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3102</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 13:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has dealt with HR departments since before the time they started to adopt this new role you mention, I can testify you have hit the nail on the head.

HR not only makes it hard on the candidate, and the employee, but on the hiring manager, as well.  I&#039;ve worn all three hats.  

One of the major roles of HR is to turn the hiring/firing/personnel aspects into a procedure that can be manipulated without it appearing to be directed at an individual (which is illegal). 
The original justification for this was a good one, it kept personalities out of it and kept the process fair.  

But the system has now calcified to the point where it operates with a mind of its own, primarily for the benefit of those who run it.  And the clever executive familiar with its operation can use it as weapon to get what he wants, whether it is good for the company or not.

Except at the very lowest levels, its STILL a good ole boy club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has dealt with HR departments since before the time they started to adopt this new role you mention, I can testify you have hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>HR not only makes it hard on the candidate, and the employee, but on the hiring manager, as well.  I&#8217;ve worn all three hats.  </p>
<p>One of the major roles of HR is to turn the hiring/firing/personnel aspects into a procedure that can be manipulated without it appearing to be directed at an individual (which is illegal).<br />
The original justification for this was a good one, it kept personalities out of it and kept the process fair.  </p>
<p>But the system has now calcified to the point where it operates with a mind of its own, primarily for the benefit of those who run it.  And the clever executive familiar with its operation can use it as weapon to get what he wants, whether it is good for the company or not.</p>
<p>Except at the very lowest levels, its STILL a good ole boy club.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3095</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha, we see the &quot;Evil Chancellor&quot; syndrome at work here!

I remember my time at Foxjet.  Tony Fox was eccentric as hell, but we got turkeys for Christmas and if you did your job right you were bulletproof in his eyes.  The key seems to be working for a real boss, not a Grand Vizier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha, we see the &#8220;Evil Chancellor&#8221; syndrome at work here!</p>
<p>I remember my time at Foxjet.  Tony Fox was eccentric as hell, but we got turkeys for Christmas and if you did your job right you were bulletproof in his eyes.  The key seems to be working for a real boss, not a Grand Vizier.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3092</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. I hadn&#039;t actually looked at it from that angle but from the time we go our HR dept., trouble began.  First thing that went were the Christmas turkeys and hams.  They used to give all the employees a certificate for a turkey or ham.  I loved that and appreciated it.  HR decided we all needed shirts with company logo and all that shit on it with Research Institute in big letters.  We had order the size by guess and by golly and by golly mine didn&#039;t fit.  So I basically was screwed out of a Christmas present.  It was downhill from there.

I used to work extra hours and didn&#039;t mind because my supervisor took care of me and the rest of her staff, treating us like salaried employees rather than hourly.  So we worked our butts off for her.  HR put a stop to all that and we had to keep times heets and were not allowed any overtime (which we had never requested payment for) so from that time on, our attitudes became, &quot;fuck &#039;em.  It&#039;s us vs. them.&quot;  So basically HR broke morale and made a less productive work place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. I hadn&#8217;t actually looked at it from that angle but from the time we go our HR dept., trouble began.  First thing that went were the Christmas turkeys and hams.  They used to give all the employees a certificate for a turkey or ham.  I loved that and appreciated it.  HR decided we all needed shirts with company logo and all that shit on it with Research Institute in big letters.  We had order the size by guess and by golly and by golly mine didn&#8217;t fit.  So I basically was screwed out of a Christmas present.  It was downhill from there.</p>
<p>I used to work extra hours and didn&#8217;t mind because my supervisor took care of me and the rest of her staff, treating us like salaried employees rather than hourly.  So we worked our butts off for her.  HR put a stop to all that and we had to keep times heets and were not allowed any overtime (which we had never requested payment for) so from that time on, our attitudes became, &#8220;fuck &#8216;em.  It&#8217;s us vs. them.&#8221;  So basically HR broke morale and made a less productive work place.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3070</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 21:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe part of it is the relatively new idea of HR as an entirely separate department in a business.  I remember when I would come in for a job (way back when) and they didn&#039;t turn me over to an official interview or personnel guy.  I talked to the guy I was going to be working for.  He knew what he needed, knew the job inside and out, and could figure out if I was worth the oxygen I would use up or not.  Hell, I never even heard of &quot;HR&quot; as a position until I was in my thirties.  By then I was carving my own road.

If you&#039;re a professional &quot;hiring person,&quot; you don&#039;t know the business like the people running it, and you have to go by &quot;policies.&quot;  Hence the hiring formulas.

This is just a theory, but wouldn&#039;t mind some input from those who have spent more time in the trenches than I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe part of it is the relatively new idea of HR as an entirely separate department in a business.  I remember when I would come in for a job (way back when) and they didn&#8217;t turn me over to an official interview or personnel guy.  I talked to the guy I was going to be working for.  He knew what he needed, knew the job inside and out, and could figure out if I was worth the oxygen I would use up or not.  Hell, I never even heard of &#8220;HR&#8221; as a position until I was in my thirties.  By then I was carving my own road.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a professional &#8220;hiring person,&#8221; you don&#8217;t know the business like the people running it, and you have to go by &#8220;policies.&#8221;  Hence the hiring formulas.</p>
<p>This is just a theory, but wouldn&#8217;t mind some input from those who have spent more time in the trenches than I have.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3069</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry some of that is wordy and grammatically goofy.  I&#039;m waiting for the exterminator and may have to get off here in an instant.  So I&#039;m hurrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry some of that is wordy and grammatically goofy.  I&#8217;m waiting for the exterminator and may have to get off here in an instant.  So I&#8217;m hurrying.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/06/30/skills-gap/#comment-3068</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left University at the end of my 3rd year because my husband was going overseas with the AF.  It was always my intention to finish but it never was possible.  We didn&#039;t live near colleges when we came back and I couldn&#039;t afford much.  In my family, you did not go into debt to graduate college.  Period.  Anyway I never got the degree but I had a helluva lot of experience in various things when I was hired at KUMC by an M.D./researcher to be his Administrative Coordinator.  I created a bookkeeping system, got the clinic&#039;s finances back in the black, planned international trips, managed seminars and workshops that he gave, brought in powerhouse MD speakers (one a Nobel prize winner), etc.  All this without a degree and no one ever complained.  He was tickled to have someone with all the experience and capabilities I had plus being able to edit his professional journal articles.

When I went to work for the Research Institute where we managed the financial end of clinical trials, no one cared, either.  But after they changed directors, the emphasis became to hire people only with degrees, even receptionists for God&#039;s sake.  Because we had a medical school, you were supposed to be degreed.  

The job I did for them, and did it damned well, knew more and accomplished more than most of their degreed people, found the screw-ups their Masters Degree Accountants made, and when I left, they wanted a degree only in my position.  I wish them luck with it but I have a feeling the docs and nurses who are doing clinical studies are not getting the service they once were.  But not my problem any more.

I come from a generation and family where you learned everything you could and became attuned to where you worked, what you did and what everyone else there did so you could work as an effective team.  Now, it&#039;s compartmentalized and I see little team work.  Politics is in everything.  

I&#039;m glad I&#039;m out of it.  Of course, now that publishing is changing so radically, I don&#039;t know yet where I&#039;m going there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left University at the end of my 3rd year because my husband was going overseas with the AF.  It was always my intention to finish but it never was possible.  We didn&#8217;t live near colleges when we came back and I couldn&#8217;t afford much.  In my family, you did not go into debt to graduate college.  Period.  Anyway I never got the degree but I had a helluva lot of experience in various things when I was hired at KUMC by an M.D./researcher to be his Administrative Coordinator.  I created a bookkeeping system, got the clinic&#8217;s finances back in the black, planned international trips, managed seminars and workshops that he gave, brought in powerhouse MD speakers (one a Nobel prize winner), etc.  All this without a degree and no one ever complained.  He was tickled to have someone with all the experience and capabilities I had plus being able to edit his professional journal articles.</p>
<p>When I went to work for the Research Institute where we managed the financial end of clinical trials, no one cared, either.  But after they changed directors, the emphasis became to hire people only with degrees, even receptionists for God&#8217;s sake.  Because we had a medical school, you were supposed to be degreed.  </p>
<p>The job I did for them, and did it damned well, knew more and accomplished more than most of their degreed people, found the screw-ups their Masters Degree Accountants made, and when I left, they wanted a degree only in my position.  I wish them luck with it but I have a feeling the docs and nurses who are doing clinical studies are not getting the service they once were.  But not my problem any more.</p>
<p>I come from a generation and family where you learned everything you could and became attuned to where you worked, what you did and what everyone else there did so you could work as an effective team.  Now, it&#8217;s compartmentalized and I see little team work.  Politics is in everything.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m out of it.  Of course, now that publishing is changing so radically, I don&#8217;t know yet where I&#8217;m going there.</p>
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