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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3243</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re all crooks.  And then it gets laid on the taxpayer to bail them out.  Pisses me off royally. I think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac need to be restructured without multi-million dollar paid execs. No wonder there&#039;s no money for the little guy.  The big jerks got it all.  I wouldn&#039;t resent it if I thought they&#039;d earned it but they didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re all crooks.  And then it gets laid on the taxpayer to bail them out.  Pisses me off royally. I think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac need to be restructured without multi-million dollar paid execs. No wonder there&#8217;s no money for the little guy.  The big jerks got it all.  I wouldn&#8217;t resent it if I thought they&#8217;d earned it but they didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3223</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, how do you feel about the guys who were running Fannie Mae?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, how do you feel about the guys who were running Fannie Mae?</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3222</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew Enron was dead and buried.  And so is one of the execs.  I had forgotten that.  They should have resurrected him and strung him up by his thumbs.  It looks like there was some justice but not enough and people didn&#039;t get their money back.  That would have had long-lasting repercussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew Enron was dead and buried.  And so is one of the execs.  I had forgotten that.  They should have resurrected him and strung him up by his thumbs.  It looks like there was some justice but not enough and people didn&#8217;t get their money back.  That would have had long-lasting repercussions.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3204</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enron is dead.  As for the legal results, convictions, and reparations, they&#039;re listed in the Wikipedia entry &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal#Trials&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enron is dead.  As for the legal results, convictions, and reparations, they&#8217;re listed in the Wikipedia entry <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal#Trials" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3202</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 14:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, TB, for the link.

What you want to bet that, as usual, no one will be punished?  Maybe I&#039;m wrong but it seems like the big boys almost always get away scott free.  Look at Enron.  Some were convicted and then I think those were overturned.  The only people paid were those with their lives and money invested in their stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, TB, for the link.</p>
<p>What you want to bet that, as usual, no one will be punished?  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong but it seems like the big boys almost always get away scott free.  Look at Enron.  Some were convicted and then I think those were overturned.  The only people paid were those with their lives and money invested in their stock.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3200</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 13:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450604576415683464733192.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one link&lt;/a&gt;.  There are a lot more.

And yeah, if they&#039;re crooks they should be hauled into court and fried.  That&#039;s how it&#039;s supposed to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450604576415683464733192.html" rel="nofollow">one link</a>.  There are a lot more.</p>
<p>And yeah, if they&#8217;re crooks they should be hauled into court and fried.  That&#8217;s how it&#8217;s supposed to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 04:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see it having the same potential for abuse as in the coal mining industry.  I&#039;m too tired to find a link at the moment but I saw a story on the news yesterday that told about the coal mine that lost 29 men to a cave-in not too long ago had had double books regarding safety hazards, one for their own people and a different one without the hazards, for the government.

IOW they lied.  Some other company had bought them out and it came to light.  Those SOB&#039;s should be hauled into court and fried for that.  They can surely charge the executives with something like blatant disregard for human life leading to 29 deaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see it having the same potential for abuse as in the coal mining industry.  I&#8217;m too tired to find a link at the moment but I saw a story on the news yesterday that told about the coal mine that lost 29 men to a cave-in not too long ago had had double books regarding safety hazards, one for their own people and a different one without the hazards, for the government.</p>
<p>IOW they lied.  Some other company had bought them out and it came to light.  Those SOB&#8217;s should be hauled into court and fried for that.  They can surely charge the executives with something like blatant disregard for human life leading to 29 deaths.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3114</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This method of hydrocarbon recovery has been in used in one form or another since the late 1940s.  Regulations at the state level have been in place for years.  You&#039;re going to hear a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; of crap about this in the next few years, as this is has become a chosen target of the environmental movement.  Keep your eyes and minds open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This method of hydrocarbon recovery has been in used in one form or another since the late 1940s.  Regulations at the state level have been in place for years.  You&#8217;re going to hear a <em>lot</em> of crap about this in the next few years, as this is has become a chosen target of the environmental movement.  Keep your eyes and minds open.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/01/well-frack/#comment-3108</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, we can get up and leave after we&#039;ve fouled the place up beyond all repair.  It&#039;s just the people who live there and can&#039;t afford to move who can&#039;t leave. Tough.  They signed a release, didn&#039;t they, or they were stupid enough to buy property without securing the mineral rights.

This whole fracking controversy has a simple solution.  It is neither definitely destructive to the environment, nor is it always perfectly safe.  It can probably be either, or somewhere in between, depending on the details of the fracking process, land use in the affected area, and the local geology.

We need to license frackers by making them pay for a detailed preliminary study of the area to allow starting, and a detailed follow up after they are finished--by an independent scientific agency or contractor with teeth, not an industry shill or government pal of the industry. That same agency will provide the evidence in the event of litigation. The frackers pay because they are the ones who benefit if they are successful. I would think Conservatives would support this solution, after all, it is private property, homes, farms and businesses,  that is being threatened by this activity.

Are there potential problems with this approach?  Absolutely. We see them all the time. We are adding an extra layer of complexity, a bureaucracy, and things will go wrong, and people may be treated unfairly, on either or both sides. That&#039;s what happens when you live in a crowded and complex society of competing interests and great disparity in economic and political power. And yes, it will add to the cost of the resource recovery, even if no environmental damage whatsoever results from the fracking process.

Regulation is not full-proof, it is often inefficient or even misguided and yes, it sometimes gets co-opted by either business or government, or even a conspiracy of the two. But there is no way the free market by itself, will protect the environment.  Only lawsuits, fines and jail time can do that. 

What are the alternatives? To let the drillers decide whether it is clean or not is lunacy.  You know what they are going to say. They are going to lie like a mad fracker rather than pay a penny more than they have to. The frackers don&#039;t own the surface, they have no financial incentive to be stewards of it. 

Sorry to bring up the &quot;R&quot; word. But if they don&#039;t like it, they can go frack themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, we can get up and leave after we&#8217;ve fouled the place up beyond all repair.  It&#8217;s just the people who live there and can&#8217;t afford to move who can&#8217;t leave. Tough.  They signed a release, didn&#8217;t they, or they were stupid enough to buy property without securing the mineral rights.</p>
<p>This whole fracking controversy has a simple solution.  It is neither definitely destructive to the environment, nor is it always perfectly safe.  It can probably be either, or somewhere in between, depending on the details of the fracking process, land use in the affected area, and the local geology.</p>
<p>We need to license frackers by making them pay for a detailed preliminary study of the area to allow starting, and a detailed follow up after they are finished&#8211;by an independent scientific agency or contractor with teeth, not an industry shill or government pal of the industry. That same agency will provide the evidence in the event of litigation. The frackers pay because they are the ones who benefit if they are successful. I would think Conservatives would support this solution, after all, it is private property, homes, farms and businesses,  that is being threatened by this activity.</p>
<p>Are there potential problems with this approach?  Absolutely. We see them all the time. We are adding an extra layer of complexity, a bureaucracy, and things will go wrong, and people may be treated unfairly, on either or both sides. That&#8217;s what happens when you live in a crowded and complex society of competing interests and great disparity in economic and political power. And yes, it will add to the cost of the resource recovery, even if no environmental damage whatsoever results from the fracking process.</p>
<p>Regulation is not full-proof, it is often inefficient or even misguided and yes, it sometimes gets co-opted by either business or government, or even a conspiracy of the two. But there is no way the free market by itself, will protect the environment.  Only lawsuits, fines and jail time can do that. </p>
<p>What are the alternatives? To let the drillers decide whether it is clean or not is lunacy.  You know what they are going to say. They are going to lie like a mad fracker rather than pay a penny more than they have to. The frackers don&#8217;t own the surface, they have no financial incentive to be stewards of it. </p>
<p>Sorry to bring up the &#8220;R&#8221; word. But if they don&#8217;t like it, they can go frack themselves.</p>
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