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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/02/is-anything-working-these-days-has-it-ever-worked/#comment-3301</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardly original with me.  Neil Gaiman had several such characters in his spectacular &quot;Sandman&quot; series, the most well known of which was &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hob_Gadling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hob Gadling.&lt;/a&gt;

Gaiman could sneeze on a blank sheet of paper and come up with better material than I ever will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardly original with me.  Neil Gaiman had several such characters in his spectacular &#8220;Sandman&#8221; series, the most well known of which was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hob_Gadling" rel="nofollow">Hob Gadling.</a></p>
<p>Gaiman could sneeze on a blank sheet of paper and come up with better material than I ever will.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/02/is-anything-working-these-days-has-it-ever-worked/#comment-3300</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 03:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great premise for a novel there, if you don&#039;t want me to steal it, say so now, or forever hold your peace.

No doubt you&#039;ve heard the legend of the Wandering Jew, who was condemned by God to eternal life.  The legend is the basis for Mel Brooks&#039; Two Thousand Year Old Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great premise for a novel there, if you don&#8217;t want me to steal it, say so now, or forever hold your peace.</p>
<p>No doubt you&#8217;ve heard the legend of the Wandering Jew, who was condemned by God to eternal life.  The legend is the basis for Mel Brooks&#8217; Two Thousand Year Old Man.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/02/is-anything-working-these-days-has-it-ever-worked/#comment-3285</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an immortal, the &quot;this too shall pass&quot; attitude would definitely have to be accompanied by a serious network of survival strategies.  Otherwise instead of passing, it might run over you.  Prime Directive for any immortal of course is to never let anyone find out about it.  Maybe there have been a few natural mutations in this direction over the millenia.  All our legends have heroes with immensely long lives.  Maybe a few thousand years ago they figured out that the trick was lying low and changing identities a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an immortal, the &#8220;this too shall pass&#8221; attitude would definitely have to be accompanied by a serious network of survival strategies.  Otherwise instead of passing, it might run over you.  Prime Directive for any immortal of course is to never let anyone find out about it.  Maybe there have been a few natural mutations in this direction over the millenia.  All our legends have heroes with immensely long lives.  Maybe a few thousand years ago they figured out that the trick was lying low and changing identities a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/02/is-anything-working-these-days-has-it-ever-worked/#comment-3282</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read several convincing SF tales that have tackled the implications of longevity, both for individuals as well as implemented population-wide technologies.  The consensus is that immortality, or extreme life-extension, will result in  exaggerated  conservatism, cowardice and an almost pathological fear of death in those who have achieved it.  IOW, if you know you can&#039;t die of old age or natural causes, you&#039;ll get really paranoid about dying as a result of violence, or accident. Like Pierson&#039;s Puppeteers.

I don&#039;t know if I agree with this, but it does not seem unreasonable.  The young take awful chances, and it seems in societies where death is easy (like in our own unhygienic and pre-medical past) people do very risky things to achieve fame, glory, wealth, etc before they die of some simple infection we can defeat routinely.  It&#039;s like people say, &quot;Well I&#039;m probably going to die soon anyway, so I might as well go for this.&quot;

BTW, I&#039;m not from ancient Greece, but that &quot;this too shall pass&quot; attitude has a lot to recommend it.  I&#039;m trying to put myself in that place. The question is, how well does it hold up to hard times, when everything suddenly becomes a question of assholes and elbows?  It&#039;s easy to be serene and philosophical when you&#039;re comfortable and nothing hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read several convincing SF tales that have tackled the implications of longevity, both for individuals as well as implemented population-wide technologies.  The consensus is that immortality, or extreme life-extension, will result in  exaggerated  conservatism, cowardice and an almost pathological fear of death in those who have achieved it.  IOW, if you know you can&#8217;t die of old age or natural causes, you&#8217;ll get really paranoid about dying as a result of violence, or accident. Like Pierson&#8217;s Puppeteers.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I agree with this, but it does not seem unreasonable.  The young take awful chances, and it seems in societies where death is easy (like in our own unhygienic and pre-medical past) people do very risky things to achieve fame, glory, wealth, etc before they die of some simple infection we can defeat routinely.  It&#8217;s like people say, &#8220;Well I&#8217;m probably going to die soon anyway, so I might as well go for this.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m not from ancient Greece, but that &#8220;this too shall pass&#8221; attitude has a lot to recommend it.  I&#8217;m trying to put myself in that place. The question is, how well does it hold up to hard times, when everything suddenly becomes a question of assholes and elbows?  It&#8217;s easy to be serene and philosophical when you&#8217;re comfortable and nothing hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/02/is-anything-working-these-days-has-it-ever-worked/#comment-3270</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 20:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at all these replies, it seems pretty simple:

The good old days were good because it was a young person who was living in them.

Is this a simple physical process?  Is it more about the naivete versus the experience?  Does cynicism grow on you along with the normal survival tools?

You know, if anyone ever does live to be 300 years old in the future, we would learn a lot by what their eventual attitudes turned out to be.  I couldn&#039;t even guess.

I watched a TV show once based on the movie &quot;Highlander.&quot; In the series (I never saw more than a few shows) there are apparently more immortals than you can shake a stick at.  But most are in their hundreds, and lucky to make that since they seem to be in the habit of killing each other off (how&#039;s THAT for an evolutionary dead end?).  But there&#039;s was a guy in this show from ancient Greece or something who was thousands of years old.  A more laid-back view of life you&#039;d never seen.  I guess when you&#039;ve lived that long you might realize that &quot;this too shall pass&quot; applies to almost everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at all these replies, it seems pretty simple:</p>
<p>The good old days were good because it was a young person who was living in them.</p>
<p>Is this a simple physical process?  Is it more about the naivete versus the experience?  Does cynicism grow on you along with the normal survival tools?</p>
<p>You know, if anyone ever does live to be 300 years old in the future, we would learn a lot by what their eventual attitudes turned out to be.  I couldn&#8217;t even guess.</p>
<p>I watched a TV show once based on the movie &#8220;Highlander.&#8221; In the series (I never saw more than a few shows) there are apparently more immortals than you can shake a stick at.  But most are in their hundreds, and lucky to make that since they seem to be in the habit of killing each other off (how&#8217;s THAT for an evolutionary dead end?).  But there&#8217;s was a guy in this show from ancient Greece or something who was thousands of years old.  A more laid-back view of life you&#8217;d never seen.  I guess when you&#8217;ve lived that long you might realize that &#8220;this too shall pass&#8221; applies to almost everything.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 20:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang in there.  Rivers rise, rivers fall.

Don&#039;t build in a flood zone.

I remember reading Michener&#039;s &quot;Chesapeake&quot; years ago.  Forgot everything about the book except for a few things about punt guns, and a sequence at the beginning that made an impression.  An Indian is examining an island as a possible place to settle, but realizes that it is slowly being worn away inch by inch by the currents, and will be gone in a couple of hundred years.  The location is discarded.  That&#039;s forward thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there.  Rivers rise, rivers fall.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t build in a flood zone.</p>
<p>I remember reading Michener&#8217;s &#8220;Chesapeake&#8221; years ago.  Forgot everything about the book except for a few things about punt guns, and a sequence at the beginning that made an impression.  An Indian is examining an island as a possible place to settle, but realizes that it is slowly being worn away inch by inch by the currents, and will be gone in a couple of hundred years.  The location is discarded.  That&#8217;s forward thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/02/is-anything-working-these-days-has-it-ever-worked/#comment-3267</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 20:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, maybe Americans are just whining crybabies who have never had to put up with hard times (or at least, not for the last 70 years) and we can&#039;t handle not being on top of the heap.  Look at the Brits, after &quot;winning the war&quot; they found themselves in a profound post-war economic slump.
Inflation, unemployment, civil unrest, industrial strikes, teddy boys, even rationing. They went from (in their opinion) the leading nation of the world to just another player in the small pond that was Europe. And they had to give up their empire, which was more of an anchor on their ass than they had ever dared admit to themselves.

Every empire has hard times after it peaks.  It doesn&#039;t necessarily mean catastrophe, and it isn&#039;t even the end of the world.  After all, England in the 60s was an exciting place to be. They saved America&#039;s black Blues from oblivion and gave us the Beatles in return for our Elvis. They were the Greece to our Rome. And they are still around today, and they are still a player.  It&#039;s just that the sun no longer rises and sets on their royal ass.

I remember the 60s when we were beset by racial unrest from blacks and race riots from whites, student revolt, Vietnam, hardhat reactionaries and profound social changes.  For the old farts reading the news to us, it was the end of the world.  For me and my contemporaries, &quot;there was music in the cafes at night and revolution in the air&quot;. 

It was a very optimistic time for young people.  Shit, I was the first person in my family to ever go to college! We were at war with poverty and racism and militarism and we were going to conquer the solar system, maybe within my lifetime!

So what did the 70s bring us? The peak of American power and prosperity? Watergate, Disco, Afros, Leisure Suits and Jimmy Carter.

And of course, I prospered like crazy during that time.  But of course, I was in my 20s.  If you can&#039;t thrive in your 20s, regardless of the times, you are a sad case indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, maybe Americans are just whining crybabies who have never had to put up with hard times (or at least, not for the last 70 years) and we can&#8217;t handle not being on top of the heap.  Look at the Brits, after &#8220;winning the war&#8221; they found themselves in a profound post-war economic slump.<br />
Inflation, unemployment, civil unrest, industrial strikes, teddy boys, even rationing. They went from (in their opinion) the leading nation of the world to just another player in the small pond that was Europe. And they had to give up their empire, which was more of an anchor on their ass than they had ever dared admit to themselves.</p>
<p>Every empire has hard times after it peaks.  It doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean catastrophe, and it isn&#8217;t even the end of the world.  After all, England in the 60s was an exciting place to be. They saved America&#8217;s black Blues from oblivion and gave us the Beatles in return for our Elvis. They were the Greece to our Rome. And they are still around today, and they are still a player.  It&#8217;s just that the sun no longer rises and sets on their royal ass.</p>
<p>I remember the 60s when we were beset by racial unrest from blacks and race riots from whites, student revolt, Vietnam, hardhat reactionaries and profound social changes.  For the old farts reading the news to us, it was the end of the world.  For me and my contemporaries, &#8220;there was music in the cafes at night and revolution in the air&#8221;. </p>
<p>It was a very optimistic time for young people.  Shit, I was the first person in my family to ever go to college! We were at war with poverty and racism and militarism and we were going to conquer the solar system, maybe within my lifetime!</p>
<p>So what did the 70s bring us? The peak of American power and prosperity? Watergate, Disco, Afros, Leisure Suits and Jimmy Carter.</p>
<p>And of course, I prospered like crazy during that time.  But of course, I was in my 20s.  If you can&#8217;t thrive in your 20s, regardless of the times, you are a sad case indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m just going to go jump in the currently highly risen Missouri River.

A girl named Logan in a more optimistic time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m just going to go jump in the currently highly risen Missouri River.</p>
<p>A girl named Logan in a more optimistic time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/07/02/is-anything-working-these-days-has-it-ever-worked/#comment-3262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah TB...I think you are right...it is my age. Plus the fact I am a melancholy baby.

Being empathic doesn&#039;t help. I am surrounded by denny downers here on the home front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah TB&#8230;I think you are right&#8230;it is my age. Plus the fact I am a melancholy baby.</p>
<p>Being empathic doesn&#8217;t help. I am surrounded by denny downers here on the home front.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.S.D.D. Same Shit Different Day, I guess. Thanks Zoners you have helped me put this into perspective.

Still sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.S.D.D. Same Shit Different Day, I guess. Thanks Zoners you have helped me put this into perspective.</p>
<p>Still sucks.</p>
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