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		<title>By: Mary Anne</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4679</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuts. I&#039;m just putting my toe back in and you leave.

Now, I know that, probably, you aren&#039;t reading any of this. That&#039;s how it was with me. I left and stayed gone, no backturned eyes, for a long time. But on the off chance that you&#039;re suffering from withdrawal and have come back for one last look, I ask, selfishly, on my own behalf, please stay. I have always liked you: your incisive wit, your big heart, and your sensible outlook. Since I don&#039;t have your email or anything, this is the only contact point I have, and I have genuinely missed you. 

Leaving is the only choice if you don&#039;t like who you are when you&#039;re here. I was there, so I know. If that&#039;s how it is for you, well, do what&#039;s best for yourself.

On the whole, with distance, this place is Mostly Harmless as long as you remember to keep your towel with you.

Best wishes, McFly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuts. I&#8217;m just putting my toe back in and you leave.</p>
<p>Now, I know that, probably, you aren&#8217;t reading any of this. That&#8217;s how it was with me. I left and stayed gone, no backturned eyes, for a long time. But on the off chance that you&#8217;re suffering from withdrawal and have come back for one last look, I ask, selfishly, on my own behalf, please stay. I have always liked you: your incisive wit, your big heart, and your sensible outlook. Since I don&#8217;t have your email or anything, this is the only contact point I have, and I have genuinely missed you. </p>
<p>Leaving is the only choice if you don&#8217;t like who you are when you&#8217;re here. I was there, so I know. If that&#8217;s how it is for you, well, do what&#8217;s best for yourself.</p>
<p>On the whole, with distance, this place is Mostly Harmless as long as you remember to keep your towel with you.</p>
<p>Best wishes, McFly.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4655</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proscenium it shall remain.

The Zone has given me a lot to think about over the years regarding communities and individuals. I tend to credit the format for making the conversational interplay more visible, and monkey brains already attuned to social dynamics by a couple of million years of evolution latch right on to that tool.

Seeing the tree grow in real time is one thing, but because it forms a permanent record, it also encourages thoughtful individuals to ponder the resulting structures, and to replay the interactions and study them. It encourages monday-morning quarterbacking and self-criticism. Over the long term the feedback creates &quot;more highly evolved&quot; community members.
&lt;img src=&quot;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X6pIvurgQ-U/RrG6vOzY27I/AAAAAAAAAC8/7UNwxaEnvnQ/s400/st-menagerie.jpg&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proscenium it shall remain.</p>
<p>The Zone has given me a lot to think about over the years regarding communities and individuals. I tend to credit the format for making the conversational interplay more visible, and monkey brains already attuned to social dynamics by a couple of million years of evolution latch right on to that tool.</p>
<p>Seeing the tree grow in real time is one thing, but because it forms a permanent record, it also encourages thoughtful individuals to ponder the resulting structures, and to replay the interactions and study them. It encourages monday-morning quarterbacking and self-criticism. Over the long term the feedback creates &#8220;more highly evolved&#8221; community members.<br />
<img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X6pIvurgQ-U/RrG6vOzY27I/AAAAAAAAAC8/7UNwxaEnvnQ/s400/st-menagerie.jpg" /></p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4654</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 18:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemme think about that for a moment.. YES:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemme think about that for a moment.. YES:)</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4653</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 18:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Body shots for you.</description>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4645</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 04:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the lime and salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the lime and salt.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4636</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 02:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t change the name, it&#039;s brilliant, and spot on. 

We haven&#039;t had a True Troll here at the HZ since...who?  Crank? EP? Smyth? That was years ago. 

You are right about this being a microcosm.  Been musing all day about the individual&#039;s role in a community, and vice versa, all day long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t change the name, it&#8217;s brilliant, and spot on. </p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t had a True Troll here at the HZ since&#8230;who?  Crank? EP? Smyth? That was years ago. </p>
<p>You are right about this being a microcosm.  Been musing all day about the individual&#8217;s role in a community, and vice versa, all day long.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4632</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 01:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That was an infelicitous choice of words, wasn&#039;t it?&lt;/p&gt;

My thought wasn&#039;t to treat Tom separately, and without regard to the community&#039;s needs. Part of this thread was a conversation comparing Tom to a troll and discussing techniques for dealing with trolls, and I wanted to make the point that Tom cannot be treated that way. He&#039;s such an integral part of the community that we have to (or would be well-advised to) find a solution to our problems that doesn&#039;t involve ostracizing him &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; sacrifice others to keep him happy.

A community-based solution, in other words. We&#039;re on the same page, but my words were awkward.

It&#039;s reassuring that you see potential in the blog/forum hybrid. The blog is a more &quot;egocentric&quot; form than a forum, and having it available may provide a safety valve to the urge to dominate a forum. 

WordPress right now generates those automatic author listings, but they need a makeover to be more than a curiosity at this point. A RealSoonNow software update will let me make those pages presentable (stuck in the lab while I debug a feature the Zone doesn&#039;t need, but the client has first priority). As soon as I can I&#039;ll get &#039;em fixed up.

The name &quot;Proscenium&quot; originally referred to the stereotypical Web page layout that, to me, resembled the classic proscenium arch theater stage: sidebars=stage right and left, header=overhead scenery, footer=orchestra pit, all framing the stage. Over time it&#039;s grown way beyond just generating that style of page, but it&#039;s a pain to change the name in midstream.

Besides, I think &quot;proscenium&quot; is kinda classy. I&#039;d rather hang on to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an infelicitous choice of words, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>My thought wasn&#8217;t to treat Tom separately, and without regard to the community&#8217;s needs. Part of this thread was a conversation comparing Tom to a troll and discussing techniques for dealing with trolls, and I wanted to make the point that Tom cannot be treated that way. He&#8217;s such an integral part of the community that we have to (or would be well-advised to) find a solution to our problems that doesn&#8217;t involve ostracizing him <i>or</i> sacrifice others to keep him happy.</p>
<p>A community-based solution, in other words. We&#8217;re on the same page, but my words were awkward.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s reassuring that you see potential in the blog/forum hybrid. The blog is a more &#8220;egocentric&#8221; form than a forum, and having it available may provide a safety valve to the urge to dominate a forum. </p>
<p>WordPress right now generates those automatic author listings, but they need a makeover to be more than a curiosity at this point. A RealSoonNow software update will let me make those pages presentable (stuck in the lab while I debug a feature the Zone doesn&#8217;t need, but the client has first priority). As soon as I can I&#8217;ll get &#8216;em fixed up.</p>
<p>The name &#8220;Proscenium&#8221; originally referred to the stereotypical Web page layout that, to me, resembled the classic proscenium arch theater stage: sidebars=stage right and left, header=overhead scenery, footer=orchestra pit, all framing the stage. Over time it&#8217;s grown way beyond just generating that style of page, but it&#8217;s a pain to change the name in midstream.</p>
<p>Besides, I think &#8220;proscenium&#8221; is kinda classy. I&#8217;d rather hang on to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4629</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 00:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VRB, you&#039;re so bad. Enough of that picture of you in the john.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VRB, you&#8217;re so bad. Enough of that picture of you in the john.</p>
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		<title>By: VelociraptorBlade</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4618</link>
		<dc:creator>VelociraptorBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mcfly?  You still with us?  Come back!  We haven&#039;t become too distracted with the new guy to notice you&#039;re gone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mcfly?  You still with us?  Come back!  We haven&#8217;t become too distracted with the new guy to notice you&#8217;re gone!</p>
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		<title>By: VelociraptorBlade</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/08/04/im-done/#comment-4617</link>
		<dc:creator>VelociraptorBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, dude.  

However, to fully pass registration and truly become one of use, You must pass Zone initiation!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lJZiqZaGA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Listen to this&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.instructables.com/image/FXVZUU3F0ZSTH1Y/AWSOME-SUPER-BAD-ASS-LUCHADOR-WRESTLING-MASK-made.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and watch this&lt;/a&gt; at the same time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, dude.  </p>
<p>However, to fully pass registration and truly become one of use, You must pass Zone initiation!  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lJZiqZaGA" rel="nofollow">Listen to this</a> <a href="http://www.instructables.com/image/FXVZUU3F0ZSTH1Y/AWSOME-SUPER-BAD-ASS-LUCHADOR-WRESTLING-MASK-made.jpg" rel="nofollow">and watch this</a> at the same time</p>
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