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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5783</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/attack-watch-new-obama-campaign-site-to-fight-smears-becomes-laughing-stock-of-the-internet/2011/09/14/gIQAspHDSK_blog.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A story on this from the Washington Post.&lt;/a&gt;  Interestingly, when I looked at this yesterday, the headline said &quot;laughing stock of the internet,&quot; which is accurate.  Someone told somebody to change it.  The URL address still has the old headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/attack-watch-new-obama-campaign-site-to-fight-smears-becomes-laughing-stock-of-the-internet/2011/09/14/gIQAspHDSK_blog.html" rel="nofollow">A story on this from the Washington Post.</a>  Interestingly, when I looked at this yesterday, the headline said &#8220;laughing stock of the internet,&#8221; which is accurate.  Someone told somebody to change it.  The URL address still has the old headline.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5757</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on the subject of &quot;agitprop:&quot;

Something interesting has happened in the past few years.  Remember the old Soviet Union, and Pravda?  The average Soviet citizen read Pravda, and knew damn well that reality was no part of it.  They were quiet about it, but basically ignored the news service, except insofar as they could glean things like the political standings of various figures from the stories.  In one ear and out the other.

And then there was &lt;em&gt;samizdat.&lt;/em&gt;

In recent years in this country, I&#039;ve noticed that the old crap, including the mainstream media as the source of what you should think, wasn&#039;t working any more.  Memes pushed by the media and politicians aren&#039;t resonating in the polls as much as they used to.  People can easily route around it now.  A lot of TV ratings are reflecting this, too.

I see this as a good sign no matter who&#039;s in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on the subject of &#8220;agitprop:&#8221;</p>
<p>Something interesting has happened in the past few years.  Remember the old Soviet Union, and Pravda?  The average Soviet citizen read Pravda, and knew damn well that reality was no part of it.  They were quiet about it, but basically ignored the news service, except insofar as they could glean things like the political standings of various figures from the stories.  In one ear and out the other.</p>
<p>And then there was <em>samizdat.</em></p>
<p>In recent years in this country, I&#8217;ve noticed that the old crap, including the mainstream media as the source of what you should think, wasn&#8217;t working any more.  Memes pushed by the media and politicians aren&#8217;t resonating in the polls as much as they used to.  People can easily route around it now.  A lot of TV ratings are reflecting this, too.</p>
<p>I see this as a good sign no matter who&#8217;s in power.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5756</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice jump from &quot;this has to be a joke&quot; to &quot;great idea.&quot;

Interesting choice of color scheme on the website, by the way.  All it needs is a big red eagle at the top.

You&#039;re the one who brought up &quot;which side is the most paranoid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice jump from &#8220;this has to be a joke&#8221; to &#8220;great idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting choice of color scheme on the website, by the way.  All it needs is a big red eagle at the top.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one who brought up &#8220;which side is the most paranoid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5755</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I&#039;m all for it.  Someone needs to put the kabosh on the Fascist agitprop machine.

For example, multiple GOP attacks on Obama&#039;s call on Israel to return to its 1967 borders conveniently failed to mention that this has &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; been US policy.

I find it hard to believe all those GOP luminaries are unaware of this.  They are deliberately lying, counting on their own constituency to be too ignorant to know any better. Someone has to monitor these McCarthyite thugs and call them to account, not only to counter the lies, but to identify the liars.

We all expect the Limbaughs and the Becks to do this sort of thing, but it is now a standard Conservative propaganda technique across the board.  All&#039;s fair when combating Liberals, eh? Or are we just trying to segue away from the Pournelle meme and hope nobody notices?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W73v4p6Yyg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I&#8217;m all for it.  Someone needs to put the kabosh on the Fascist agitprop machine.</p>
<p>For example, multiple GOP attacks on Obama&#8217;s call on Israel to return to its 1967 borders conveniently failed to mention that this has <em>always</em> been US policy.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe all those GOP luminaries are unaware of this.  They are deliberately lying, counting on their own constituency to be too ignorant to know any better. Someone has to monitor these McCarthyite thugs and call them to account, not only to counter the lies, but to identify the liars.</p>
<p>We all expect the Limbaughs and the Becks to do this sort of thing, but it is now a standard Conservative propaganda technique across the board.  All&#8217;s fair when combating Liberals, eh? Or are we just trying to segue away from the Pournelle meme and hope nobody notices?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W73v4p6Yyg" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5754</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you talking about the website or the YouTube?

The website is real, and totally serious, put out by Obama For America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you talking about the website or the YouTube?</p>
<p>The website is real, and totally serious, put out by Obama For America.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5751</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty funny, but I can&#039;t decide whether its someone making fun of liberals, or someone making fun of conservatives slandering liberals, or someone making fun of liberals making fun of...well, you get my point, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty funny, but I can&#8217;t decide whether its someone making fun of liberals, or someone making fun of conservatives slandering liberals, or someone making fun of liberals making fun of&#8230;well, you get my point, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5750</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberchase&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;But he sure makes a great &#039;Digit&#039;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberchase" rel="nofollow">But he sure makes a great &#8216;Digit&#8217;</a></p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5748</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least it&#039;s nice to know Gilbert Gottfried got another job after he got fired from being the voice of the AFLAC goose.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gilbertgottfried.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SONOFABITCH! 

No, I&#039;m not just being crude, that&#039;s one of his tag lines from his Jay Leno skits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least it&#8217;s nice to know Gilbert Gottfried got another job after he got fired from being the voice of the AFLAC goose.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gilbertgottfried.com/" rel="nofollow">SONOFABITCH! </p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not just being crude, that&#8217;s one of his tag lines from his Jay Leno skits.</a></p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5746</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYKRokgX00&amp;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heh.&lt;/a&gt;

Sure doesn&#039;t take long nowadays to gin stuff like this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYKRokgX00&#038;" rel="nofollow">Heh.</a></p>
<p>Sure doesn&#8217;t take long nowadays to gin stuff like this up.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/13/pournelle-on-compulsory-vaccinations/#comment-5745</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.attackwatch.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;speaking of paranoia...&lt;/a&gt;

Before anyone pops back, think hard about what you would have said about Bush if he had a &quot;fink site&quot; like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, <a href="http://www.attackwatch.com/" rel="nofollow">speaking of paranoia&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Before anyone pops back, think hard about what you would have said about Bush if he had a &#8220;fink site&#8221; like this.</p>
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