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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5933</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never did work out what &quot;(ahem) Off-Topic&quot; was supposed to mean.  How about a clue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never did work out what &#8220;(ahem) Off-Topic&#8221; was supposed to mean.  How about a clue?</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5877</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric does have a point, but heck, iTunes alone has resulted in huge shifts in entire industries.

Now, if you want to talk about how Jobs sort of &quot;Walt Disneys&quot; the contributions of a lot of people at Apple, that might be another valid point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric does have a point, but heck, iTunes alone has resulted in huge shifts in entire industries.</p>
<p>Now, if you want to talk about how Jobs sort of &#8220;Walt Disneys&#8221; the contributions of a lot of people at Apple, that might be another valid point.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5876</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much agreed with Eric, but I was afraid to bring it up. 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much agreed with Eric, but I was afraid to bring it up. <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5871</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted the link on Facebook in hopes my brother in law Eric would comment. Eric never went to college and was self taught in computers...he will soon retire from IBM...with several patents behind his belt. He is brilliant. If you want me to, I will find out what his patents are.

Anyway Eric writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;His story is interesting, but some of the coverage of him is getting uncomfortably close to deifying territory. The technology he innovated is great for personal consumer empowerment, especially in wealthier societies, but I don&#039;t see a big impact on the core technologies that have advanced human infrastructure. (Us big infrastructure computing guys always feel a little miffed at the attention Apple gets :) )&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the link on Facebook in hopes my brother in law Eric would comment. Eric never went to college and was self taught in computers&#8230;he will soon retire from IBM&#8230;with several patents behind his belt. He is brilliant. If you want me to, I will find out what his patents are.</p>
<p>Anyway Eric writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>His story is interesting, but some of the coverage of him is getting uncomfortably close to deifying territory. The technology he innovated is great for personal consumer empowerment, especially in wealthier societies, but I don&#8217;t see a big impact on the core technologies that have advanced human infrastructure. (Us big infrastructure computing guys always feel a little miffed at the attention Apple gets <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5869</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I just hate the way these threads shrink down to a one or two inch column. 

Anyway, I agree with the inspiration/perspiration saw. Most businesses fail and more often than not it is due to some kind of owner failure.

How many times have we enjoyed a new restaurant, only to return a few months later to find the service and quality deteriorated to the point of epic fail. This is different from the creativity of a Einstein, Mozart or Jobs.

A person can create a successful business or turn themselves into a journeyman writer or musician by their blood, sweat and tears, but they will never reach the stars without born creativity.

The more one&#039;s success depends on blood, sweat and tears, the more a term (4 years seems to work well) of higher education or military service,or apprenticeship, seems helpful.

In business, I worked hard and did well. I probably could have worked harder and done better. 

If my father had been Sam Walton, I might have become the CEO of Walmart, but unlike Jobs, I would never have built the better mousetrap.

I am not selling myself short. I think I would make a Dandy Czar or King, surrounded by creative advisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I just hate the way these threads shrink down to a one or two inch column. </p>
<p>Anyway, I agree with the inspiration/perspiration saw. Most businesses fail and more often than not it is due to some kind of owner failure.</p>
<p>How many times have we enjoyed a new restaurant, only to return a few months later to find the service and quality deteriorated to the point of epic fail. This is different from the creativity of a Einstein, Mozart or Jobs.</p>
<p>A person can create a successful business or turn themselves into a journeyman writer or musician by their blood, sweat and tears, but they will never reach the stars without born creativity.</p>
<p>The more one&#8217;s success depends on blood, sweat and tears, the more a term (4 years seems to work well) of higher education or military service,or apprenticeship, seems helpful.</p>
<p>In business, I worked hard and did well. I probably could have worked harder and done better. </p>
<p>If my father had been Sam Walton, I might have become the CEO of Walmart, but unlike Jobs, I would never have built the better mousetrap.</p>
<p>I am not selling myself short. I think I would make a Dandy Czar or King, surrounded by creative advisers.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5867</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a remarkable percentage of &quot;creativity&quot; is simply deciding to do something, and then being persistent about it.  Certainly, there&#039;s some natural genius involved in some cases - the Mozarts and all - but I&#039;ve read enough biographies of successful people to know that a lot of it is just being the sort of person who is willing to strike out and take a risk.

The Carl&#039;s Junior restaurant down my block used to have a little framed story of the founder.  It showed him with his first business:  a little wheeled hot dog cart.  (The story is online &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.carlsjr.com/company/story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)  Stories like this are legion.  I see hot dog stands like that around here and wonder sometimes where the guy running it is going to wind up.

I think it was Edison who said &quot;genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration.&quot;  We make all sorts of excuses to ourselves why we can&#039;t do what these people do.  Telling ourselves that they&#039;re just &quot;natural geniuses&quot; or have &quot;born creativity&quot; might be another one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a remarkable percentage of &#8220;creativity&#8221; is simply deciding to do something, and then being persistent about it.  Certainly, there&#8217;s some natural genius involved in some cases &#8211; the Mozarts and all &#8211; but I&#8217;ve read enough biographies of successful people to know that a lot of it is just being the sort of person who is willing to strike out and take a risk.</p>
<p>The Carl&#8217;s Junior restaurant down my block used to have a little framed story of the founder.  It showed him with his first business:  a little wheeled hot dog cart.  (The story is online <a href="http://www.carlsjr.com/company/story" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)  Stories like this are legion.  I see hot dog stands like that around here and wonder sometimes where the guy running it is going to wind up.</p>
<p>I think it was Edison who said &#8220;genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration.&#8221;  We make all sorts of excuses to ourselves why we can&#8217;t do what these people do.  Telling ourselves that they&#8217;re just &#8220;natural geniuses&#8221; or have &#8220;born creativity&#8221; might be another one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5866</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read it. He is one lucky guy...to be able to make money doing something he loves. He is indeed a creative soul...and I can tell you from my own experiences...do not herd us into the structure of school. Right knowledge at the right time. 
Itsy Bitsy rantification and finally proud mama moment ( of which I deserve)
The Community College is finally being heralded! The for- profit tech institutes/trade schools, once thought to garner priority for  graduates in  the job market.. is becoming quite clear  is not the case at all.
My son is going to be CompTIA A+ (PC Technician) and Network+ (Network technician) certified. Books, tuition, tools... in the lab they had to build their own computers, make their own cat 5 cable, build the server, and he says they have an electron microscope to examine transistors....all for 2,300.00, for a three month course...9-5 Mon-Thursday.

Trade School?....mmm...easily 10,000.00 and up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read it. He is one lucky guy&#8230;to be able to make money doing something he loves. He is indeed a creative soul&#8230;and I can tell you from my own experiences&#8230;do not herd us into the structure of school. Right knowledge at the right time.<br />
Itsy Bitsy rantification and finally proud mama moment ( of which I deserve)<br />
The Community College is finally being heralded! The for- profit tech institutes/trade schools, once thought to garner priority for  graduates in  the job market.. is becoming quite clear  is not the case at all.<br />
My son is going to be CompTIA A+ (PC Technician) and Network+ (Network technician) certified. Books, tuition, tools&#8230; in the lab they had to build their own computers, make their own cat 5 cable, build the server, and he says they have an electron microscope to examine transistors&#8230;.all for 2,300.00, for a three month course&#8230;9-5 Mon-Thursday.</p>
<p>Trade School?&#8230;.mmm&#8230;easily 10,000.00 and up.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/16/the-education-of-steve-jobs/#comment-5865</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted below before I read the thread.

If there was any political motivation for the post it went over my head (maybe I am not as smart as I think :) )

I am not familiar with the linked website&#039;s political bent. Maybe that is a give away that I don&#039;t appreciate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted below before I read the thread.</p>
<p>If there was any political motivation for the post it went over my head (maybe I am not as smart as I think <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>I am not familiar with the linked website&#8217;s political bent. Maybe that is a give away that I don&#8217;t appreciate.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you asked.

Nothing in the article stirred my blood.

I am reminded of what I learned in my first year at the University of Alabama. College, for the future entrepreneur, is not for learning anything worthwhile. It is for maturing, establishing a network, satisfying the &quot;degree requirement&quot; and more or less polishing social skills. 

I think a 4 year military stint accomplishes much the same with some differences, depending on the individual.

Jobs succeeded because he was creatively gifted. 

Lots of people are smart and educated but there are only so many Beethovens and there are only so many Jobs.

Hell, I am smart, but I am damn near devoid of creativity. I think you are born with it and it can&#039;t be taught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you asked.</p>
<p>Nothing in the article stirred my blood.</p>
<p>I am reminded of what I learned in my first year at the University of Alabama. College, for the future entrepreneur, is not for learning anything worthwhile. It is for maturing, establishing a network, satisfying the &#8220;degree requirement&#8221; and more or less polishing social skills. </p>
<p>I think a 4 year military stint accomplishes much the same with some differences, depending on the individual.</p>
<p>Jobs succeeded because he was creatively gifted. </p>
<p>Lots of people are smart and educated but there are only so many Beethovens and there are only so many Jobs.</p>
<p>Hell, I am smart, but I am damn near devoid of creativity. I think you are born with it and it can&#8217;t be taught.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suits me.  I&#039;d welcome comments from the others.  I stand by what I&#039;ve said here, but I have nothing further to add on this topic.

But does this mean our &quot;cacophony of harmonics&quot; exchange on the thread  below is over?

I was really getting into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suits me.  I&#8217;d welcome comments from the others.  I stand by what I&#8217;ve said here, but I have nothing further to add on this topic.</p>
<p>But does this mean our &#8220;cacophony of harmonics&#8221; exchange on the thread  below is over?</p>
<p>I was really getting into it.</p>
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