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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/20/how-to-get-corporate-america-to-invest-its-record-trillions-in-cash-in-jobs/#comment-6072</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/aug2011/2011-08-10-093.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Johnson Controls battery plant &lt;/a&gt;in Holland, Michigan.

&lt;p&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;

Federal grant for building the plant: $299 million.

Michigan state incentives for the plant: $168.5 million.

Michigan budget deficit for 2011:  $500 million.

Jobs at the Holland, Michigan battery plant: 150</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/aug2011/2011-08-10-093.html" rel="nofollow">Johnson Controls battery plant </a>in Holland, Michigan.</p>
<p>Federal grant for building the plant: $299 million.</p>
<p>Michigan state incentives for the plant: $168.5 million.</p>
<p>Michigan budget deficit for 2011:  $500 million.</p>
<p>Jobs at the Holland, Michigan battery plant: 150</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/20/how-to-get-corporate-america-to-invest-its-record-trillions-in-cash-in-jobs/#comment-6069</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the former Governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, on the Jon Stewart Show overnight and she was quite impressive.  She said that the old economic theories no longer work in our Global Economy.  If you let business keep their money for investment rather than tax them, it may not do any good whatsoever for the US because they invest in OTHER COUNTRIES!  In Michigan, they decided to make sure that the investment in creating parts for the electric cars, I believe it was diode batteries if I remember right, stayed in the US and specifically in Michigan.  

The lady made a lot of sense.  Her book is A Governor&#039;s Story: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Governors-Story-Americas-Economic-Future/dp/1586489976/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1316782169&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Fight for Jobs and America&#039;s Economic Future.&lt;/a&gt;

Look at the chapter titles.  If I could afford it, I&#039;d buy the Kindle edition.  But I have to have the Kindle first.  Dammit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the former Governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, on the Jon Stewart Show overnight and she was quite impressive.  She said that the old economic theories no longer work in our Global Economy.  If you let business keep their money for investment rather than tax them, it may not do any good whatsoever for the US because they invest in OTHER COUNTRIES!  In Michigan, they decided to make sure that the investment in creating parts for the electric cars, I believe it was diode batteries if I remember right, stayed in the US and specifically in Michigan.  </p>
<p>The lady made a lot of sense.  Her book is A Governor&#8217;s Story: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Governors-Story-Americas-Economic-Future/dp/1586489976/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1316782169&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">The Fight for Jobs and America&#8217;s Economic Future.</a></p>
<p>Look at the chapter titles.  If I could afford it, I&#8217;d buy the Kindle edition.  But I have to have the Kindle first.  Dammit.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But they are NOT investing.  Which is the point.  They are letting the money sit there.  Got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But they are NOT investing.  Which is the point.  They are letting the money sit there.  Got it?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you saying that taxing someone at 90% is a &quot;fair share?  I really hope you don&#039;t think that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you saying that taxing someone at 90% is a &#8220;fair share?  I really hope you don&#8217;t think that.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize. 

You&#039;re right, I did not express myself clearly, in fact, I said something that was misleading, and it led to misunderstanding. I will try again. 

I do NOT support tax exemptions, and dodges like charity, etc. These eventually are misused or perverted, with the aid of some crony capitalism and clever lobbying into getting out of paying taxes.  I should think Conservatives would agree with me on this.  Aren&#039;t they always saying taxes should be solely to raise revenue, not for social engineering?

I DO support and encourage that businesses not be taxed on money that is a legitimate business expense, such as salaries, interest, expansion, expenses, overhead and investment in further productive capacity. Investment and product R&amp;D is certainly a legit business expense. In other words, if you have an extra $400K lying around, give your workers a bonus, or break ground on a new building. Or replace that fleet of trucks.

Just don&#039;t use it to buy swampland in Georgia and not grow tobacco on it.

This policy will encourage investment in the society and circulate money back into the economy instead of funneling it directly to the top few percent.  And if it works well enough, maybe we can even cut capital gains taxes.  And that&#039;s the third time I&#039;ve said that in this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I did not express myself clearly, in fact, I said something that was misleading, and it led to misunderstanding. I will try again. </p>
<p>I do NOT support tax exemptions, and dodges like charity, etc. These eventually are misused or perverted, with the aid of some crony capitalism and clever lobbying into getting out of paying taxes.  I should think Conservatives would agree with me on this.  Aren&#8217;t they always saying taxes should be solely to raise revenue, not for social engineering?</p>
<p>I DO support and encourage that businesses not be taxed on money that is a legitimate business expense, such as salaries, interest, expansion, expenses, overhead and investment in further productive capacity. Investment and product R&#038;D is certainly a legit business expense. In other words, if you have an extra $400K lying around, give your workers a bonus, or break ground on a new building. Or replace that fleet of trucks.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t use it to buy swampland in Georgia and not grow tobacco on it.</p>
<p>This policy will encourage investment in the society and circulate money back into the economy instead of funneling it directly to the top few percent.  And if it works well enough, maybe we can even cut capital gains taxes.  And that&#8217;s the third time I&#8217;ve said that in this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cripes.  Screw this.&lt;/p&gt;

The very first comment was completely clear, in context of the original article&#039;s thesis of how tax increases create growth.  It stood on its own, and there I was going to leave it.  And here I am again, running around in tight circles, bombarded as a bonus by handfuls of raw, wet, economic horseshit.

When will I learn?

Edit:  I posted something about this inconsistency in a comment over at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politicususa.com/en/higher-taxes-jobs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original article site.&lt;/a&gt;  It&#039;s waiting for moderation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cripes.  Screw this.</p>
<p>The very first comment was completely clear, in context of the original article&#8217;s thesis of how tax increases create growth.  It stood on its own, and there I was going to leave it.  And here I am again, running around in tight circles, bombarded as a bonus by handfuls of raw, wet, economic horseshit.</p>
<p>When will I learn?</p>
<p>Edit:  I posted something about this inconsistency in a comment over at the <a href="http://www.politicususa.com/en/higher-taxes-jobs" rel="nofollow">original article site.</a>  It&#8217;s waiting for moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Yes. Of course.  The idea was to &quot;get them to plow that back into productive use, like foundations, investment, businesses, research, and even charity.&quot;

Now we can continue with the  current Obama/Democratic plan to cut tax deductions for investments, research, charitable deductions, and all the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Yes. Of course.  The idea was to &#8220;get them to plow that back into productive use, like foundations, investment, businesses, research, and even charity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now we can continue with the  current Obama/Democratic plan to cut tax deductions for investments, research, charitable deductions, and all the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re not quite that dense, pal.  We know exactly what is going on. Listen carefully.

The rich used to be taxed enormous amounts of money, like 90%. The idea wasn&#039;t to take away most of their income, but to get them to plow that back into productive use, like foundations, investment, businesses, research, and even charity.

Since most income is derived through commercial activity, they knew how to restructure their businesses for the new environment.
Only people like rock stars and athletes actually paid ninety cents on the dollar, they didn&#039;t know how to be reborn as trusts or  corporations.

But business wasn&#039;t satisfied with this arrangement, it and well- meaning (and some not-so-well-meaning) but clueless government bureaucrats gradually replaced this system with a complex Babel of exemptions, loopholes, special exceptions and other tax dodges that eventually subverted the system and allowed anyone who owned a stable of lobbyists, lawyers and  accountants to get away without paying his fair share.

It is the purpose of the modern Republican Party, and their prole allies in the Tea Party, to maintain this pyramid of privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not quite that dense, pal.  We know exactly what is going on. Listen carefully.</p>
<p>The rich used to be taxed enormous amounts of money, like 90%. The idea wasn&#8217;t to take away most of their income, but to get them to plow that back into productive use, like foundations, investment, businesses, research, and even charity.</p>
<p>Since most income is derived through commercial activity, they knew how to restructure their businesses for the new environment.<br />
Only people like rock stars and athletes actually paid ninety cents on the dollar, they didn&#8217;t know how to be reborn as trusts or  corporations.</p>
<p>But business wasn&#8217;t satisfied with this arrangement, it and well- meaning (and some not-so-well-meaning) but clueless government bureaucrats gradually replaced this system with a complex Babel of exemptions, loopholes, special exceptions and other tax dodges that eventually subverted the system and allowed anyone who owned a stable of lobbyists, lawyers and  accountants to get away without paying his fair share.</p>
<p>It is the purpose of the modern Republican Party, and their prole allies in the Tea Party, to maintain this pyramid of privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why not force the crony capitalists to move towards a more competitive economy?&quot;

By George. I think he&#039;s got it!

Force?  Well not guillotines and bayonets, but tax policy like we&#039;re talking about here.  Tom, I am not a Red, I just know that capitalists don&#039;t give a fig about free enterprise. They can&#039;t be trusted to do the right thing.  They have to be persuaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why not force the crony capitalists to move towards a more competitive economy?&#8221;</p>
<p>By George. I think he&#8217;s got it!</p>
<p>Force?  Well not guillotines and bayonets, but tax policy like we&#8217;re talking about here.  Tom, I am not a Red, I just know that capitalists don&#8217;t give a fig about free enterprise. They can&#8217;t be trusted to do the right thing.  They have to be persuaded.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay, one more time:&lt;/p&gt;

Point A:  The writer declares that high taxes create investment because it forces the business to use investment tax breaks.  The writer is an idiot, basically rehashing a sideways version of the &quot;broken window fallacy,&quot; but we&#039;ll let that pass.

Point B:  The Democratic Party is currently doing its damndest to destroy investment tax breaks, including raising the capital gains tax.

This was what my first comment was pointing out, and I assumed people who read the article would get it quite easily.  My mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, one more time:</p>
<p>Point A:  The writer declares that high taxes create investment because it forces the business to use investment tax breaks.  The writer is an idiot, basically rehashing a sideways version of the &#8220;broken window fallacy,&#8221; but we&#8217;ll let that pass.</p>
<p>Point B:  The Democratic Party is currently doing its damndest to destroy investment tax breaks, including raising the capital gains tax.</p>
<p>This was what my first comment was pointing out, and I assumed people who read the article would get it quite easily.  My mistake.</p>
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