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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6242</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about it for a while.  I know that signals from deep space probes travel through such a medium, but timing it requires a very tight position fix on the probe.   I&#039;m trying to figure out if the methods for establishing these fixes do not themselves depend on an assumption of a given value for lightspeed.

For a minute I wondered if this might explain the Pioneer anomaly, but the numbers as given are off by a factor of about 24 for the anomaly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about it for a while.  I know that signals from deep space probes travel through such a medium, but timing it requires a very tight position fix on the probe.   I&#8217;m trying to figure out if the methods for establishing these fixes do not themselves depend on an assumption of a given value for lightspeed.</p>
<p>For a minute I wondered if this might explain the Pioneer anomaly, but the numbers as given are off by a factor of about 24 for the anomaly.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6240</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll get the Enterprise right on that their next trip into deep space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll get the Enterprise right on that their next trip into deep space.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6239</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6238</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering...

The official speed of light is the speed of light in a vacuum (light travels more slowly through various mediums).

Is it possible that something else affects the speed of light on Earth besides the medium it&#039;s traveling through?  Something that wouldn&#039;t affect neutrinos?

Has anyone ever measured light speed in deep space, away from any large mass?

(If I missed something obvious, let me know.  Remember, I&#039;m not a physicist.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering&#8230;</p>
<p>The official speed of light is the speed of light in a vacuum (light travels more slowly through various mediums).</p>
<p>Is it possible that something else affects the speed of light on Earth besides the medium it&#8217;s traveling through?  Something that wouldn&#8217;t affect neutrinos?</p>
<p>Has anyone ever measured light speed in deep space, away from any large mass?</p>
<p>(If I missed something obvious, let me know.  Remember, I&#8217;m not a physicist.)</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6223</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 04:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xkcd

&lt;img src=&quot;http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/neutrinos.png&quot;&gt;

Hate to say it, but it&#039;s probably true that this won&#039;t pan out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xkcd</p>
<p><img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/neutrinos.png"/></p>
<p>Hate to say it, but it&#8217;s probably true that this won&#8217;t pan out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff-Wash</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6213</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff-Wash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I live in Canada, I have
a neutrino joke with a Canadian
flavor(ooops)flavour.

A Canadian neutrino enters a crowded
bar and says to everybody, &quot;Excuse me, I have to pass through you all
to get to the bar, sorry, sorry, sorry.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I live in Canada, I have<br />
a neutrino joke with a Canadian<br />
flavor(ooops)flavour.</p>
<p>A Canadian neutrino enters a crowded<br />
bar and says to everybody, &#8220;Excuse me, I have to pass through you all<br />
to get to the bar, sorry, sorry, sorry.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6155</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;As to relativity, I must confess that I would rather have a subject in which there would be a half dozen members of the Academy competent enough to understand at least a few words of what the speakers were saying if we had a symposium upon it. I pray to God that the progress of science will send relativity to some region of space beyond the fourth dimension, from whence it may never return to plague us.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Letter of C.G. Abbot (Home Secretary of the National Academy of Science) to G.E. Hale (Director of Mount Wilson Observatory), 20 January 1920

Abbot and Hale were trying to come up with a speaker(s) for an upcoming symposium at the Smithsonian.  Eventually, they settled on American astronomers Harlow Shapley and Heber Curtis, who debated on whether the &quot;spiral nebulae&quot; were relatively nearby objects in the Milky Way Galaxy, or whether they were other galaxies similar to the Milky Way at immense distances.

Both men were right about some things, and wrong about others, but the nature of the spiral nebulae was  finally settled by Edwin Hubble, in 1925.

I&#039;ve always found it amazing that the most impressive and profound things we have learned about the universe and its architecture, that it is an infinite collection of galaxies expanding away from one another, was discovered by one man, during the lifetime of some people who are still living today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;As to relativity, I must confess that I would rather have a subject in which there would be a half dozen members of the Academy competent enough to understand at least a few words of what the speakers were saying if we had a symposium upon it. I pray to God that the progress of science will send relativity to some region of space beyond the fourth dimension, from whence it may never return to plague us.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Letter of C.G. Abbot (Home Secretary of the National Academy of Science) to G.E. Hale (Director of Mount Wilson Observatory), 20 January 1920</p>
<p>Abbot and Hale were trying to come up with a speaker(s) for an upcoming symposium at the Smithsonian.  Eventually, they settled on American astronomers Harlow Shapley and Heber Curtis, who debated on whether the &#8220;spiral nebulae&#8221; were relatively nearby objects in the Milky Way Galaxy, or whether they were other galaxies similar to the Milky Way at immense distances.</p>
<p>Both men were right about some things, and wrong about others, but the nature of the spiral nebulae was  finally settled by Edwin Hubble, in 1925.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always found it amazing that the most impressive and profound things we have learned about the universe and its architecture, that it is an infinite collection of galaxies expanding away from one another, was discovered by one man, during the lifetime of some people who are still living today.</p>
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		<title>By: VelociraptorBlade</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6137</link>
		<dc:creator>VelociraptorBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine the return visits.....

&lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; src=&quot;http://dresdencodak.com/comics/2006-08-30-traversing_the_luminiferous_aether.jpg&quot; class=&quot;alignnone&quot; width=&quot;900&quot; height=&quot;1203&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine the return visits&#8230;..</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://dresdencodak.com/comics/2006-08-30-traversing_the_luminiferous_aether.jpg" class="alignnone" width="900" height="1203" /></p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6119</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 01:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it would meet itself coming and going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it would meet itself coming and going.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/22/neutrinos-breaking-the-law/#comment-6113</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t the neutrino get to the bar first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the neutrino get to the bar first?</p>
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