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	<title>Comments on: The Truth can be ugly and painful, or Why America doesn&#8217;t count for much anymore.</title>
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		<title>By: VelociraptorBlade</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6523</link>
		<dc:creator>VelociraptorBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question:  Does anyone remember what URL the MSNBC Space Science board was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question:  Does anyone remember what URL the MSNBC Space Science board was?</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6358</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a propane-powered Honda 11,000 watt generator at the farm which kicks in when the water turbine can&#039;t keep up with demand.  Of course we have a huge battery bank, too.

11,000 watts is too big for a house, and this one runs full speed all the time.  With the battery bank sucking up what isn&#039;t used in the house and shack it&#039;s OK, but propane costs around $3 a gallon delivered.  At around 1.5 gallons per hour it&#039;s very spendy without the battery bank.  Fortunately the turbine does a super job, and the generator doesn&#039;t have to kick in much.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a propane-powered Honda 11,000 watt generator at the farm which kicks in when the water turbine can&#8217;t keep up with demand.  Of course we have a huge battery bank, too.</p>
<p>11,000 watts is too big for a house, and this one runs full speed all the time.  With the battery bank sucking up what isn&#8217;t used in the house and shack it&#8217;s OK, but propane costs around $3 a gallon delivered.  At around 1.5 gallons per hour it&#8217;s very spendy without the battery bank.  Fortunately the turbine does a super job, and the generator doesn&#8217;t have to kick in much.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6355</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that capital punishment should be reserved solely for corporate crimes.</description>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6351</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 05:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  You Da Man, ER.  Your endless patience and unerring logic carries the day.  While I regard TB as a very nice guy, I don&#039;t regard his political beliefs worthy of debate.  The wars he advocates are lost, anthropormorphic global warming is a reality, tax cuts for the wealthy lead to hedge funds which lead to collapse not more jobs, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice lied about the threats to the US as well as the war crimes and crimes against humanity the US was very busy committing.  The Conservative agenda is to promote wars, monopolies, and the concentration of wealth thereby promoting the suffering of both foreign innocents and the less fortunate at home. All of that is clear and obvious and denied.  

The only thing crazier than an irrational person is someone who tries to reason with him.

And you don&#039;t try to reason, you refute, a process requiring far more patience and intelligence than I bring to the table.  He&#039;s yours, I refuse to debate flat-Earthers, Creationists, and TB.

(By the way, a moderate is one who believes all war criminals should get a trial and die that afternoon by lethal injection.  A liberal believes they should get a trial and be hung that morning.)

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  You Da Man, ER.  Your endless patience and unerring logic carries the day.  While I regard TB as a very nice guy, I don&#8217;t regard his political beliefs worthy of debate.  The wars he advocates are lost, anthropormorphic global warming is a reality, tax cuts for the wealthy lead to hedge funds which lead to collapse not more jobs, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice lied about the threats to the US as well as the war crimes and crimes against humanity the US was very busy committing.  The Conservative agenda is to promote wars, monopolies, and the concentration of wealth thereby promoting the suffering of both foreign innocents and the less fortunate at home. All of that is clear and obvious and denied.  </p>
<p>The only thing crazier than an irrational person is someone who tries to reason with him.</p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t try to reason, you refute, a process requiring far more patience and intelligence than I bring to the table.  He&#8217;s yours, I refuse to debate flat-Earthers, Creationists, and TB.</p>
<p>(By the way, a moderate is one who believes all war criminals should get a trial and die that afternoon by lethal injection.  A liberal believes they should get a trial and be hung that morning.)</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6345</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again Lindy.  Good that our paths crossed when they did.  I have posted only rarely here in the last year and a half, kinda drove myself into a corner.  I suspect I&#039;m here only briefly this time, too.

It turns out that the censorship rules have changed and if I avoid CE during the times I am here I&#039;ll be OK unless I really do cross a line, so that&#039;s fine.

I trust you and yours are well, life is going OK (if life it going it&#039;s OK anymore) and you&#039;re able to enjoy the moment and not plan too hard for the future.

Thanks for the kind words, but ER is the standard-bearer here and does a super job.

Highest regards,

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Lindy.  Good that our paths crossed when they did.  I have posted only rarely here in the last year and a half, kinda drove myself into a corner.  I suspect I&#8217;m here only briefly this time, too.</p>
<p>It turns out that the censorship rules have changed and if I avoid CE during the times I am here I&#8217;ll be OK unless I really do cross a line, so that&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>I trust you and yours are well, life is going OK (if life it going it&#8217;s OK anymore) and you&#8217;re able to enjoy the moment and not plan too hard for the future.</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words, but ER is the standard-bearer here and does a super job.</p>
<p>Highest regards,</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6327</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see that page individualized, with your own blogroll, title graphic, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see that page individualized, with your own blogroll, title graphic, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6324</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clicking on the user name on the main page creates what is actually a pretty cool layout - kind of a &quot;bulletin board&quot; of posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clicking on the user name on the main page creates what is actually a pretty cool layout &#8211; kind of a &#8220;bulletin board&#8221; of posts.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6323</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clicking a name takes you to what is basically that user&#039;s blog page, with all the posts they have made 
(threads they&#039;ve started); but not their comments.  To see all their comments, while on the comments dashboard, click the header of the comments list where it is labeled &quot;Author&quot;. That will sort the comments list by user. Then you scroll through the pages to find your user of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clicking a name takes you to what is basically that user&#8217;s blog page, with all the posts they have made<br />
(threads they&#8217;ve started); but not their comments.  To see all their comments, while on the comments dashboard, click the header of the comments list where it is labeled &#8220;Author&#8221;. That will sort the comments list by user. Then you scroll through the pages to find your user of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6309</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure Robert has DamnTikiWiki archived but to my knowledge, we don&#039;t have access to it.

Lindy, if you click on VRB&#039;s name in his post, it will bring up every post he&#039;s made here.  Found that out by accident.  I knew there was a way, just didn&#039;t know how until a nice accident happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Robert has DamnTikiWiki archived but to my knowledge, we don&#8217;t have access to it.</p>
<p>Lindy, if you click on VRB&#8217;s name in his post, it will bring up every post he&#8217;s made here.  Found that out by accident.  I knew there was a way, just didn&#8217;t know how until a nice accident happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/09/24/the-truth-can-be-ugly-and-painful-or-why-america-doesnt-count-for-much-anymore/#comment-6293</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 04:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1984 redux?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1984 redux?</p>
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