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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7730</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 02:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/20/again_caucasian_woman_helps_man_lyi.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More on this phenomenon.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/20/again_caucasian_woman_helps_man_lyi.php" rel="nofollow">More on this phenomenon.</a></p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7671</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Update:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/chinese-toddler-left-bloody-hit-run-dies-14784046&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The little girl in China has died.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update:</p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/chinese-toddler-left-bloody-hit-run-dies-14784046" rel="nofollow">The little girl in China has died.</a></p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7631</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hear, Hear!!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;And frankly, I have had it up to my eyebrows with people shitting all over it&quot;&lt;/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, Hear!!!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;And frankly, I have had it up to my eyebrows with people shitting all over it&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7629</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My post was intended as a response to your &quot;tragic&quot; comment, and it&#039;s too late to move it now.&lt;/p&gt;

I interpreted the &quot;tragic&quot; post as best I could, and it seemed to say that an underlying cause of this attitude was military spending instead of pumping our money to schools in China to teach them how to be nice.  If I&#039;m wrong, clarify.

The idea that &lt;em&gt;our&lt;/em&gt; morality is the problem is what&#039;s absurd, if not outright obscene.  We did not create the Chinese culture.  What we&#039;re trying to prevent is that set of ideas - far deeper than politics - from infecting our own country.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19151256&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is what happens in our culture, just a very recent example.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=18023:video-good-samaritans-come-to-the-rescue-of-unconscious-truck-driver&amp;catid=45:guam-news&amp;Itemid=156&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s another.&lt;/a&gt;

No nation on this planet has done more selfless good for the rest of the world than ours has, by any conceivable measure.

And frankly, I have had it up to my eyebrows with people shitting all over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post was intended as a response to your &#8220;tragic&#8221; comment, and it&#8217;s too late to move it now.</p>
<p>I interpreted the &#8220;tragic&#8221; post as best I could, and it seemed to say that an underlying cause of this attitude was military spending instead of pumping our money to schools in China to teach them how to be nice.  If I&#8217;m wrong, clarify.</p>
<p>The idea that <em>our</em> morality is the problem is what&#8217;s absurd, if not outright obscene.  We did not create the Chinese culture.  What we&#8217;re trying to prevent is that set of ideas &#8211; far deeper than politics &#8211; from infecting our own country.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19151256" rel="nofollow">This</a> is what happens in our culture, just a very recent example.  <a href="http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=18023:video-good-samaritans-come-to-the-rescue-of-unconscious-truck-driver&#038;catid=45:guam-news&#038;Itemid=156" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s another.</a></p>
<p>No nation on this planet has done more selfless good for the rest of the world than ours has, by any conceivable measure.</p>
<p>And frankly, I have had it up to my eyebrows with people shitting all over it.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7623</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know where to start.  That post is so absurd that it would take an ER dissect it and respond properly.  I do not have the tolerance or patience to try.  That view of the world has been beyond my ken for many, many years.

For a nice guy, certainly a good neighbor,a great &#039;Zoner, there seems to be a mind which is stuck somewhere.  

Just for one, do you think your government gives a big rat&#039;s ass about you?  Or me? Cares if either of us lives or dies?  Or how?  (Hint:  Just don&#039;t ever embarrass it.)

I believe it was Jung who said that the center of all iniquity lies 5 km. behind enemy lines, because we cannot bear to face our own dark sides.  Those who can face that realize that humanity is more important than national boundaries, that compassion and understanding includes those who live in yurts, tents, caves and have camels instead of Cadillacs.

And that poverty is not a moral issue to be condemned and you cannot starve a person into good citizenship.

There I go, doing what I said I wouldn&#039;t.  Not because you aren&#039;t worth it, but because it&#039;s hard to paint the rainbow which is the world for eyes which see only black and white.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know where to start.  That post is so absurd that it would take an ER dissect it and respond properly.  I do not have the tolerance or patience to try.  That view of the world has been beyond my ken for many, many years.</p>
<p>For a nice guy, certainly a good neighbor,a great &#8216;Zoner, there seems to be a mind which is stuck somewhere.  </p>
<p>Just for one, do you think your government gives a big rat&#8217;s ass about you?  Or me? Cares if either of us lives or dies?  Or how?  (Hint:  Just don&#8217;t ever embarrass it.)</p>
<p>I believe it was Jung who said that the center of all iniquity lies 5 km. behind enemy lines, because we cannot bear to face our own dark sides.  Those who can face that realize that humanity is more important than national boundaries, that compassion and understanding includes those who live in yurts, tents, caves and have camels instead of Cadillacs.</p>
<p>And that poverty is not a moral issue to be condemned and you cannot starve a person into good citizenship.</p>
<p>There I go, doing what I said I wouldn&#8217;t.  Not because you aren&#8217;t worth it, but because it&#8217;s hard to paint the rainbow which is the world for eyes which see only black and white.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7607</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That girl died on the altar of a worldview that believes people are cogs in service of the State.  And believe me, that attitude in China is a hell of a lot older than communism.  It has nothing to do with military spending, or failure to throw enough money at these countries.  There are Arab nations with more money than they know what to do with, little military spending as a percentage of the whole, and yet their human rights are abysmal.

Waiting for your nation to be attacked is a hell of a time to start thinking about building up defense systems from scratch.  You might be looking at things backwards when looking at the connection between a powerful military and willingness to use it, and the lack of attacks on a country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That girl died on the altar of a worldview that believes people are cogs in service of the State.  And believe me, that attitude in China is a hell of a lot older than communism.  It has nothing to do with military spending, or failure to throw enough money at these countries.  There are Arab nations with more money than they know what to do with, little military spending as a percentage of the whole, and yet their human rights are abysmal.</p>
<p>Waiting for your nation to be attacked is a hell of a time to start thinking about building up defense systems from scratch.  You might be looking at things backwards when looking at the connection between a powerful military and willingness to use it, and the lack of attacks on a country.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7603</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And despite the &quot;If your child speaks English thank a soldier&quot; bumper-stickers, that was the last time the US was threatened, and then by an English-speaking country.  The other times, including Pearl Harbor and WTC, did not threaten American freedoms.

Even a little bit.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And despite the &#8220;If your child speaks English thank a soldier&#8221; bumper-stickers, that was the last time the US was threatened, and then by an English-speaking country.  The other times, including Pearl Harbor and WTC, did not threaten American freedoms.</p>
<p>Even a little bit.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/10/18/when-the-individual-is-nothing/#comment-7596</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to get off topic or anything, but you do know we started the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;War of 1812&lt;/a&gt;, don&#039;t you?  Not that we didn&#039;t have sufficient cause but we DID start it.  If we hadn&#039;t they&#039;d probably still be impressing our people into THEIR Navy.  Not to mention the other shit they were doing.

Mention the War of 1812 and a Canadian will quickly remind us that we invaded THEM.  LOL.  And burned the White House.  Of course, then I remind them we kicked their asses into the Gulf of Mexico.  It can get to be a lively discussion.  I just love Canadians.  They have their own version of the &quot;Battle of New Orleans&quot; song and it ain&#039;t pretty.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to get off topic or anything, but you do know we started the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812" rel="nofollow">War of 1812</a>, don&#8217;t you?  Not that we didn&#8217;t have sufficient cause but we DID start it.  If we hadn&#8217;t they&#8217;d probably still be impressing our people into THEIR Navy.  Not to mention the other shit they were doing.</p>
<p>Mention the War of 1812 and a Canadian will quickly remind us that we invaded THEM.  LOL.  And burned the White House.  Of course, then I remind them we kicked their asses into the Gulf of Mexico.  It can get to be a lively discussion.  I just love Canadians.  They have their own version of the &#8220;Battle of New Orleans&#8221; song and it ain&#8217;t pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tragic.  Obscenities come in small versions, such as this, and larger versions.  People don&#039;t seem to care much any more.  And who better to set an example that the country which has not been meaningfully attacked since 1811?  Whose freedoms have not been realistically threatened since the dastardly British did so?  Who have lived in splendid isolation for hundreds of years?

One can count oneself blessed to live in a place which has the resources to build hospitals, schools, libraries,  clinics, wells, roads, power projects all over the world.  One modern bomber costs $2 billion, enough to build and equip 100 modern schools which could educate people in ways of empathy and humanity.  And even more in third-world countries.

Or provide and equip 100 modern hospitals to which to take that poor girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oB5wZXk3ig&amp;feature=related

All that for the cost of one bomber.  Which drops bombs indiscriminately, creating hundreds upon hundreds of dead little girls.

We feel for that little girl while creating thousands more of her.  How cold can we get?  That is a great question, and we haven&#039;t plumbed the depths yet, I&#039;m afraid.  I&#039;m very afraid.  Of us, not &#039;them&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tragic.  Obscenities come in small versions, such as this, and larger versions.  People don&#8217;t seem to care much any more.  And who better to set an example that the country which has not been meaningfully attacked since 1811?  Whose freedoms have not been realistically threatened since the dastardly British did so?  Who have lived in splendid isolation for hundreds of years?</p>
<p>One can count oneself blessed to live in a place which has the resources to build hospitals, schools, libraries,  clinics, wells, roads, power projects all over the world.  One modern bomber costs $2 billion, enough to build and equip 100 modern schools which could educate people in ways of empathy and humanity.  And even more in third-world countries.</p>
<p>Or provide and equip 100 modern hospitals to which to take that poor girl.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oB5wZXk3ig&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oB5wZXk3ig&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>All that for the cost of one bomber.  Which drops bombs indiscriminately, creating hundreds upon hundreds of dead little girls.</p>
<p>We feel for that little girl while creating thousands more of her.  How cold can we get?  That is a great question, and we haven&#8217;t plumbed the depths yet, I&#8217;m afraid.  I&#8217;m very afraid.  Of us, not &#8216;them&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was definitely horrifying.  And the assholes who just walked by her without a thought.  How cold can people get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was definitely horrifying.  And the assholes who just walked by her without a thought.  How cold can people get?</p>
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