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	<title>Comments on: Phrase of the day:  Devil&#8217;s Advocate, for FrankC</title>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8549</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 05:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sort of half-assed apology.  There are numerous places in my post above this where I say someone isn&#039;t honest or honorable.  Those are unfortunate generalities, and I regret having characterized Frank that way.

I wish I had said that I didn&#039;t think he was being honest or honorable in our dealings on the HZ.  That is true.  I suspect he is honest and honorable in the rest of his life, and my overstatements are a reflection of my frustration, not an accurate description of him.

Frank, if you read this there is no need for a reply.  To do so would necessitate re-opening the whole damned issue again, with acknowledgments or denials followed by my over-responses, ad infinitum.  Let&#039;s let them save the popcorn for the next re-run of &quot;Galaxy Quest&quot;.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sort of half-assed apology.  There are numerous places in my post above this where I say someone isn&#8217;t honest or honorable.  Those are unfortunate generalities, and I regret having characterized Frank that way.</p>
<p>I wish I had said that I didn&#8217;t think he was being honest or honorable in our dealings on the HZ.  That is true.  I suspect he is honest and honorable in the rest of his life, and my overstatements are a reflection of my frustration, not an accurate description of him.</p>
<p>Frank, if you read this there is no need for a reply.  To do so would necessitate re-opening the whole damned issue again, with acknowledgments or denials followed by my over-responses, ad infinitum.  Let&#8217;s let them save the popcorn for the next re-run of &#8220;Galaxy Quest&#8221;.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-/)~

Guy who trimmed his moustache in the dark on Thursday night with a spaghetti noodle stuck in his teeth.</description>
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<p>Guy who trimmed his moustache in the dark on Thursday night with a spaghetti noodle stuck in his teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8514</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh My God....TB that reminds me of the time I pissed my kids off. I used to go to friend&#039;s houses and cut their hair for a little extra income. One time I took longer than my children thought it should take, and they started pissing and moaning the minute we all got in the car. I didn&#039;t say anything because I choose my battles. I just quietly turned on the radio. About 30 seconds after I turned the radio on there was a dedication song from a child to her Momma. The little one went on and extolled the virtues and patience of her Momma, and how much she loved her. 

Not one word was said after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh My God&#8230;.TB that reminds me of the time I pissed my kids off. I used to go to friend&#8217;s houses and cut their hair for a little extra income. One time I took longer than my children thought it should take, and they started pissing and moaning the minute we all got in the car. I didn&#8217;t say anything because I choose my battles. I just quietly turned on the radio. About 30 seconds after I turned the radio on there was a dedication song from a child to her Momma. The little one went on and extolled the virtues and patience of her Momma, and how much she loved her. </p>
<p>Not one word was said after that.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8509</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, That one is called a typo smiley. But fair enough Tom, I am tired of piling up sympathy points for the old fart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, That one is called a typo smiley. But fair enough Tom, I am tired of piling up sympathy points for the old fart</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8508</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please stop the car, Daddy, please.  There&#039;s a cliff right there Daddy, please stop.  I&#039;ll be good if you stop.  

Well S - O - A - B!!!  You drove right past the cliff!!!  Bad Daddy!!

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please stop the car, Daddy, please.  There&#8217;s a cliff right there Daddy, please stop.  I&#8217;ll be good if you stop.  </p>
<p>Well S &#8211; O &#8211; A &#8211; B!!!  You drove right past the cliff!!!  Bad Daddy!!</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8507</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I can look back on my life since I got sober and say I&#039;m an honest and honorable man.  And I have done everything possible to make up for my mistakes prior to getting sober.  There is a certain contentment in that.

We have demonstrated several times you are neither honest nor honorable.   I do envy you your family, I do not envy them their patriarch.   Honesty is the first mark of a man, and you aren&#039;t.

If you&#039;ll remember, when cornered by your duplicity you run off to hide behind others.  That&#039;s not necessary for someone who hasn&#039;t lied, and is the sign of a weak person.  Your chest-beating is like pounding a bass drum, only loud because it&#039;s empty - there are no guts inside.

My &quot;little disparaging remarks&quot; aren&#039;t hidden.  My opinion is out in the open, expressed quite bluntly.  You understand them, don&#039;t you?  I think you&#039;re the one who is quite sneaky about being disparaging.  In fact, it&#039;s obvious you are.
 
And please consider my entire posts, don&#039;t drag out a word here and a phrase there to puff yourself up or try to create some illusion.  That&#039;s not honest, either.

When one isn&#039;t honest, isn&#039;t honorable, they aren&#039;t anything.  I don&#039;t know why we just don&#039;t leave this alone.  I&#039;ll just let you nip at my heels, I guess, until the next time.  I hope it is a long, long ways off.  I&#039;ll wear boots.

Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I can look back on my life since I got sober and say I&#8217;m an honest and honorable man.  And I have done everything possible to make up for my mistakes prior to getting sober.  There is a certain contentment in that.</p>
<p>We have demonstrated several times you are neither honest nor honorable.   I do envy you your family, I do not envy them their patriarch.   Honesty is the first mark of a man, and you aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll remember, when cornered by your duplicity you run off to hide behind others.  That&#8217;s not necessary for someone who hasn&#8217;t lied, and is the sign of a weak person.  Your chest-beating is like pounding a bass drum, only loud because it&#8217;s empty &#8211; there are no guts inside.</p>
<p>My &#8220;little disparaging remarks&#8221; aren&#8217;t hidden.  My opinion is out in the open, expressed quite bluntly.  You understand them, don&#8217;t you?  I think you&#8217;re the one who is quite sneaky about being disparaging.  In fact, it&#8217;s obvious you are.</p>
<p>And please consider my entire posts, don&#8217;t drag out a word here and a phrase there to puff yourself up or try to create some illusion.  That&#8217;s not honest, either.</p>
<p>When one isn&#8217;t honest, isn&#8217;t honorable, they aren&#8217;t anything.  I don&#8217;t know why we just don&#8217;t leave this alone.  I&#8217;ll just let you nip at my heels, I guess, until the next time.  I hope it is a long, long ways off.  I&#8217;ll wear boots.</p>
<p>Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8506</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All right, kids.  Don&#039;t make me stop the car.&lt;/p&gt;

Frank, I&#039;ll need an explanation of that smiley.

Guy with a moustache    :{)

Grumpy guy with a moustache  :{(

Frank Zappa    : [-

Cyclops with a moustache  *{)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, kids.  Don&#8217;t make me stop the car.</p>
<p>Frank, I&#8217;ll need an explanation of that smiley.</p>
<p>Guy with a moustache    :{)</p>
<p>Grumpy guy with a moustache  :{(</p>
<p>Frank Zappa    : [-</p>
<p>Cyclops with a moustache  *{)</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re damn straight I&#039;ve got you beat&lt;/p&gt; 

Six ways from Sunday pal.

You really don&#039;t know much about me pal.

Would you envy me sitting in a really nice office as a middle-management guy? :)

LOL, I didn&#039;t follow the rules well and wound up self employed. Did better, made more money. 

You hide your little disparaging remarks so you can go back and read them later and giggle to yourself like the coward you are.

I probably know more about you than you think pal and believe me your petty existence will be forgotten before you are cold in the ground.

The only thing notable about you is that you are a pathological liar. How did you put it? &quot;I&#039;ll lie when it serves my purpose&quot; excuse the para-phrase. {)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re damn straight I&#8217;ve got you beat</p>
<p>Six ways from Sunday pal.</p>
<p>You really don&#8217;t know much about me pal.</p>
<p>Would you envy me sitting in a really nice office as a middle-management guy? <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>LOL, I didn&#8217;t follow the rules well and wound up self employed. Did better, made more money. </p>
<p>You hide your little disparaging remarks so you can go back and read them later and giggle to yourself like the coward you are.</p>
<p>I probably know more about you than you think pal and believe me your petty existence will be forgotten before you are cold in the ground.</p>
<p>The only thing notable about you is that you are a pathological liar. How did you put it? &#8220;I&#8217;ll lie when it serves my purpose&#8221; excuse the para-phrase. {)</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/17/phrase-of-the-day-devils-advocate-for-frankc/#comment-8504</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank.  You&#039;ve got me beat, I wasn&#039;t able to lead your mainstream life, and in ways I envy you.  I don&#039;t envy your sitting in an office as a lower management guy following the rules of a large institution day in and day out, year in and year out but I do think you got the best of in in the byproducts that stability enabled you to acquire.  (BTW, you&#039;re the guy who said your family was off-limits on the HZ, not a subject to be brought up.  That was after I said I felt sorry for your kids.  And I&#039;ve never mentioned them again.  You remind me of Palin, using your family when it suits you.)

As for Thanksgiving, I&#039;ve turned down a number in invitations in order to take a nap that afternoon and work at the Hospice that evening.  While I&#039;m aware you sneer at my work at the Hospice, I think we&#039;ll both have a holiday we find rewarding.

And I think I am a big dog in some ways, at least compared to some people.  You, for instance.  I don&#039;t know that&#039;s anything to be proud of. It&#039;s just a skill set you don&#039;t have because you were learning useful things when some of us were surviving in maybe more challenging environments.  And as I would be at a disadvantage in your world, you don&#039;t do well in mine.  Honestly, I wouldn&#039;t even try if I were you.  There&#039;s no need.

Enjoy your holiday.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank.  You&#8217;ve got me beat, I wasn&#8217;t able to lead your mainstream life, and in ways I envy you.  I don&#8217;t envy your sitting in an office as a lower management guy following the rules of a large institution day in and day out, year in and year out but I do think you got the best of in in the byproducts that stability enabled you to acquire.  (BTW, you&#8217;re the guy who said your family was off-limits on the HZ, not a subject to be brought up.  That was after I said I felt sorry for your kids.  And I&#8217;ve never mentioned them again.  You remind me of Palin, using your family when it suits you.)</p>
<p>As for Thanksgiving, I&#8217;ve turned down a number in invitations in order to take a nap that afternoon and work at the Hospice that evening.  While I&#8217;m aware you sneer at my work at the Hospice, I think we&#8217;ll both have a holiday we find rewarding.</p>
<p>And I think I am a big dog in some ways, at least compared to some people.  You, for instance.  I don&#8217;t know that&#8217;s anything to be proud of. It&#8217;s just a skill set you don&#8217;t have because you were learning useful things when some of us were surviving in maybe more challenging environments.  And as I would be at a disadvantage in your world, you don&#8217;t do well in mine.  Honestly, I wouldn&#8217;t even try if I were you.  There&#8217;s no need.</p>
<p>Enjoy your holiday.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you choose to be the Devils advocate you risk demonizing yourself.

Do you consider yourself a Big Dog Bowser? If I wanted to be a Big Dog, I would pick a forum with more than 5-6 people and I would try to deliver a Big message, instead of the tired bullshit that you peddle here.

You know you would be ignored and lost in the crowd, like you were the last time you tried your hand at a public protest.

I&#039;m a big dog with my 5 children, 7 grandchildren and 15 or so relatives having Thanksgiving with me this year. What are you going to be up to pal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you choose to be the Devils advocate you risk demonizing yourself.</p>
<p>Do you consider yourself a Big Dog Bowser? If I wanted to be a Big Dog, I would pick a forum with more than 5-6 people and I would try to deliver a Big message, instead of the tired bullshit that you peddle here.</p>
<p>You know you would be ignored and lost in the crowd, like you were the last time you tried your hand at a public protest.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big dog with my 5 children, 7 grandchildren and 15 or so relatives having Thanksgiving with me this year. What are you going to be up to pal?</p>
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