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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8724</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TB has no interest in seeking out facts.  On a given issue he simply regurgitates whatever talking point he can find from the right wing blogosphere.    

You&#039;re right about people portraying their opponents as not just wrong, but as bad.  But honestly, GOP leadership IS BAD.  They have stood in lockstep against everything this president has tried to do even when it is something they have supported in the past.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/25/24-policies-that-republicans-supported-before-they-were-against-them/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a list of 24 things the GOP has supported that they now oppose solely because they hate Obama. &lt;/a&gt; This is a graphic example of why they are not just &quot;wrong&quot; but are in fact bad.  They know these policies are not wrong since they have supported them int he past.  They are bad because of their deliberate opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TB has no interest in seeking out facts.  On a given issue he simply regurgitates whatever talking point he can find from the right wing blogosphere.    </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about people portraying their opponents as not just wrong, but as bad.  But honestly, GOP leadership IS BAD.  They have stood in lockstep against everything this president has tried to do even when it is something they have supported in the past.  <a href="http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/25/24-policies-that-republicans-supported-before-they-were-against-them/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a list of 24 things the GOP has supported that they now oppose solely because they hate Obama. </a> This is a graphic example of why they are not just &#8220;wrong&#8221; but are in fact bad.  They know these policies are not wrong since they have supported them int he past.  They are bad because of their deliberate opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8677</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you even perceive the colossal irony of bringing Jon Stewart up in a post about &quot;disdain and superciliousness?&quot;

Again, notice the tactic of focusing on &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; I&#039;m saying something, not what I&#039;m saying.

Chaff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you even perceive the colossal irony of bringing Jon Stewart up in a post about &#8220;disdain and superciliousness?&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, notice the tactic of focusing on <em>how</em> I&#8217;m saying something, not what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>Chaff.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8624</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are you channeling Newt? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;background-color:#000000;width:520px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;padding:4px;&quot;&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:video:thedailyshow.com:402006&quot; width=&quot;512&quot; height=&quot;288&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowFullScreen=&quot;true&quot; allowScriptAccess=&quot;always&quot; base=&quot;.&quot; flashVars=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;text-align:left;background-color:#FFFFFF;padding:4px;margin-top:4px;margin-bottom:0px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-10-2011/indecision-2012---mercy-rule-edition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Daily Show with Jon Stewart&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get More: &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daily Show Full Episodes&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.indecisionforever.com/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Political Humor &amp; Satire Blog&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Daily Show on Facebook&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
(Start at about 3:22 in)

This is Flame, so a post eloquent in its disdain and superciliousness and overweening egotism, heavily leavened with straightforward snottiness, is obligatory here. But it&#039;s indistinguishable from many of your posts elsewhere. And a damn good Newt Gingrich impression.

But to go on would be to just recycle a flame that&#039;s been erupting here periodically for years. It&#039;s like I said to Bowser, we know all that already. What&#039;s the point of belaboring it? Better to be entertained by Jon Stewart than to have to listen to me.

Think you might be in a bit of a rut? One of us is, because I can&#039;t even think of an original way to flame you, and had to rely on Jon Stewart to do it. This is sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you channeling Newt? </p>
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<p>(Start at about 3:22 in)</p>
<p>This is Flame, so a post eloquent in its disdain and superciliousness and overweening egotism, heavily leavened with straightforward snottiness, is obligatory here. But it&#8217;s indistinguishable from many of your posts elsewhere. And a damn good Newt Gingrich impression.</p>
<p>But to go on would be to just recycle a flame that&#8217;s been erupting here periodically for years. It&#8217;s like I said to Bowser, we know all that already. What&#8217;s the point of belaboring it? Better to be entertained by Jon Stewart than to have to listen to me.</p>
<p>Think you might be in a bit of a rut? One of us is, because I can&#8217;t even think of an original way to flame you, and had to rely on Jon Stewart to do it. This is sad.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8616</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, please read what I say, abjuring the interpretation until after having absorbed the words, their meanings and context.  I&#039;m reasonably good with the language and can speak for myself.  You don&#039;t KNOW what I&#039;ve said until after you&#039;ve read it.

I think part of the problem is your assuming what is said before having read it and responding to your assumptions.   It&#039;s worth a try, isn&#039;t it?

And while I&#039;ve felt I was an Injured Innocent in some exchanges around here, that hasn&#039;t happened for a long time and certainly not here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, please read what I say, abjuring the interpretation until after having absorbed the words, their meanings and context.  I&#8217;m reasonably good with the language and can speak for myself.  You don&#8217;t KNOW what I&#8217;ve said until after you&#8217;ve read it.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem is your assuming what is said before having read it and responding to your assumptions.   It&#8217;s worth a try, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>And while I&#8217;ve felt I was an Injured Innocent in some exchanges around here, that hasn&#8217;t happened for a long time and certainly not here.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8606</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, they stopped YOUR DISCUSSION.  You don&#039;t have a leg to stand on so you&#039;ve retired in defeat by pointing fingers back at the accuser, saying, &quot;You don&#039;t play fair.&quot;  I&#039;ve got a crying towel reserved for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they stopped YOUR DISCUSSION.  You don&#8217;t have a leg to stand on so you&#8217;ve retired in defeat by pointing fingers back at the accuser, saying, &#8220;You don&#8217;t play fair.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve got a crying towel reserved for you.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8599</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Injured Innocent doesn&#039;t really work, you know.  We&#039;ve all been around here too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Injured Innocent doesn&#8217;t really work, you know.  We&#8217;ve all been around here too long.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8597</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry.  I&#039;m sorry and I apologize for what is clearly inappropriate overkill.  And I&#039;m ever sorrier we cannot speak the same language.  It&#039;s a loss for both of us as one of us talks porcupines and the other skunks and we try to mate them and come up with something in the middle.

It&#039;s just not going to work, is it?  I am sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry.  I&#8217;m sorry and I apologize for what is clearly inappropriate overkill.  And I&#8217;m ever sorrier we cannot speak the same language.  It&#8217;s a loss for both of us as one of us talks porcupines and the other skunks and we try to mate them and come up with something in the middle.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not going to work, is it?  I am sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can stop now.  You killed the discussion.  It worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can stop now.  You killed the discussion.  It worked.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/11/20/tb-an-example-of-intellectual-dishonesty/#comment-8593</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Ideal high school graduate Working Man.&quot;  No commas.&lt;/p&gt;

And yes, you&#039;ve succeeded in hauling that entire thread on CE into the ditch, where the wheels are spinning uselessly around the &quot;correct&quot; interpretation of  a high school graduate with a goddam job and benefits.

Forget what I said about capitalism, the examples, forget the lesson of Europe, the philosophies, and everything else in my responses prior to that.

How about you tell me what you mean?  If you were doing anything other than blowing smoke in the first place, it should be easy to rephrase it with specifics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ideal high school graduate Working Man.&#8221;  No commas.</p>
<p>And yes, you&#8217;ve succeeded in hauling that entire thread on CE into the ditch, where the wheels are spinning uselessly around the &#8220;correct&#8221; interpretation of  a high school graduate with a goddam job and benefits.</p>
<p>Forget what I said about capitalism, the examples, forget the lesson of Europe, the philosophies, and everything else in my responses prior to that.</p>
<p>How about you tell me what you mean?  If you were doing anything other than blowing smoke in the first place, it should be easy to rephrase it with specifics.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, help me understand the rationalizations one can put on continuing mischaracterizations of plain English posts which will both confront the misinterpretations and allow the person to accept and change?

While avoiding implications of &quot;fatal&quot;, &quot;flaw&quot; and &quot;bad&quot;.  I readily accept the need to act as if these are honest misreadings of the posts for there to be a constructive dialogue.  And I get to the point where I do not believe there is an interest in &quot;constructive&quot;.  I get to where it seems their goal is to be ridiculous and then claim victory.  How does one confront and allow the person practicing that tactic to save face?

It is identical to the dilemma faced by Obama in dealing with the Republican House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, help me understand the rationalizations one can put on continuing mischaracterizations of plain English posts which will both confront the misinterpretations and allow the person to accept and change?</p>
<p>While avoiding implications of &#8220;fatal&#8221;, &#8220;flaw&#8221; and &#8220;bad&#8221;.  I readily accept the need to act as if these are honest misreadings of the posts for there to be a constructive dialogue.  And I get to the point where I do not believe there is an interest in &#8220;constructive&#8221;.  I get to where it seems their goal is to be ridiculous and then claim victory.  How does one confront and allow the person practicing that tactic to save face?</p>
<p>It is identical to the dilemma faced by Obama in dealing with the Republican House.</p>
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