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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;U.S. sailors finally banned from smoking on submarines (though some will be allowed to light up on deck)&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/06/u-s-sailors-finally-banned-from-smoking-on-submarines-though-some-will-be-allowed-to-light-up-on-deck/#comment-9262</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 04:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very good question.  My guess is he brought it aboard in his luggage (officers often carried much more than just a seabag of uniforms).  They often carried gifts and merchandise they bought ashore. And it wasn&#039;t inspected.

They also had access to the ship&#039;s bulk storage, no questions asked.  If I bought a tape recorder or stereo in Japan and needed to stash it til I got home, it had to be checked out, tagged, sealed and stashed in the voids.  Officers had plenty of locker storage in their staterooms.

The incident I mention occurred in the middle of a month-long North Atlantic cruise, where we were undergoing maneuvers with other NATO units.  Maybe he was running low and had decided to finish off his supply.

The empties went over the side in the middle of the night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very good question.  My guess is he brought it aboard in his luggage (officers often carried much more than just a seabag of uniforms).  They often carried gifts and merchandise they bought ashore. And it wasn&#8217;t inspected.</p>
<p>They also had access to the ship&#8217;s bulk storage, no questions asked.  If I bought a tape recorder or stereo in Japan and needed to stash it til I got home, it had to be checked out, tagged, sealed and stashed in the voids.  Officers had plenty of locker storage in their staterooms.</p>
<p>The incident I mention occurred in the middle of a month-long North Atlantic cruise, where we were undergoing maneuvers with other NATO units.  Maybe he was running low and had decided to finish off his supply.</p>
<p>The empties went over the side in the middle of the night.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 03:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way.  The Nav Officer who got and stayed drunk.  How did he get enough booze on board to stay drunk all that time?  I know from experience, once one&#039;s tolerance has built up it takes a lot to keep it going.  

And what would he do with the empties?  That&#039;s a big problem for alcoholics.  I think that the garbage man would be the best diagnostician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way.  The Nav Officer who got and stayed drunk.  How did he get enough booze on board to stay drunk all that time?  I know from experience, once one&#8217;s tolerance has built up it takes a lot to keep it going.  </p>
<p>And what would he do with the empties?  That&#8217;s a big problem for alcoholics.  I think that the garbage man would be the best diagnostician.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/06/u-s-sailors-finally-banned-from-smoking-on-submarines-though-some-will-be-allowed-to-light-up-on-deck/#comment-9259</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 03:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many have!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many have!</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/06/u-s-sailors-finally-banned-from-smoking-on-submarines-though-some-will-be-allowed-to-light-up-on-deck/#comment-9250</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll drink to that!&lt;/p&gt;

I visited a Royal Navy frigate once and there was evidence of the crew&#039;s drinking everywhere.  Empty beer cans littered the mess deck. I understand the Brits now ban alcohol on their ships.

I was once a guest aboard a French destroyer, and learned wine was routinely served to the crew at mealtimes.  They claimed there was never any problem; due, no doubt, to a difference between the Gallic and Anglo-Saxon temperaments.  

A shipmate of mine who visited a Portuguese tin can told me there were huge casks of wine lashed down in the berthing spaces. The crew also had wine with their meals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll drink to that!</p>
<p>I visited a Royal Navy frigate once and there was evidence of the crew&#8217;s drinking everywhere.  Empty beer cans littered the mess deck. I understand the Brits now ban alcohol on their ships.</p>
<p>I was once a guest aboard a French destroyer, and learned wine was routinely served to the crew at mealtimes.  They claimed there was never any problem; due, no doubt, to a difference between the Gallic and Anglo-Saxon temperaments.  </p>
<p>A shipmate of mine who visited a Portuguese tin can told me there were huge casks of wine lashed down in the berthing spaces. The crew also had wine with their meals.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/06/u-s-sailors-finally-banned-from-smoking-on-submarines-though-some-will-be-allowed-to-light-up-on-deck/#comment-9249</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US Navy was a US leader in recognizing alcoholism as an illness and establishing treatment centers.  Betty Ford went to what was the finest facility in the world, the Navy program at Long Beach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Navy was a US leader in recognizing alcoholism as an illness and establishing treatment centers.  Betty Ford went to what was the finest facility in the world, the Navy program at Long Beach.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/06/u-s-sailors-finally-banned-from-smoking-on-submarines-though-some-will-be-allowed-to-light-up-on-deck/#comment-9248</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drinking was always banned on Navy ships, too, it was a court-martial offense but that didn&#039;t stop it from happening, especially among the senior enlisted ranks, the career NCOs. The old  Chiefs, in particular, were notorious for always wandering around in an alcoholic fog, even while on duty, right on the edge of sobriety. The rest of us just got drunk ashore on liberty.  I never drank as much as when I was in the Navy.

We had a navigation officer who was an alcoholic. (NAV officers don&#039;t navigate, their work is supervisory and administrative, the enlisted men navigate the ship). We had one who was an alcoholic, it was easier for officers because their personal belongings were never inspected. 

This one was transferred from duty ashore as a gunfire spotter with the Marines, and he was a psychological basket case.  We liked the man, and did our best to cover for him, and his fellow officers must have known too, but looked the other way.

One night, an emergency arose on the bridge, and the skipper sent me to his stateroom to wake him up.  I couldn&#039;t get him up, and he kept on telling me to tell the captain he wasn&#039;t coming while I pleaded with him to get dressed or he would get in deep trouble. The stench of liquor was on his breath.

Eventually, the officer who shared his stateroom with him rolled out of the top rack and told me to go back to the bridge and tell the old man the Lieutenant would be right up.  A few weeks after that, he was transferred off the ship. 

As an aside, I hope I&#039;m not boring you people with all these Navy stories.  I realize I was on the ship for only 13 months , from Nov &#039;67 to Dec &#039;68, and I was a young man, I turned my 21st birthday while on board. But so much happened so fast.  But even though my experiences were very ordinary, and shared by many others, I simply cannot imagine my life without that crazy time having been a part of it. It has haunted me ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drinking was always banned on Navy ships, too, it was a court-martial offense but that didn&#8217;t stop it from happening, especially among the senior enlisted ranks, the career NCOs. The old  Chiefs, in particular, were notorious for always wandering around in an alcoholic fog, even while on duty, right on the edge of sobriety. The rest of us just got drunk ashore on liberty.  I never drank as much as when I was in the Navy.</p>
<p>We had a navigation officer who was an alcoholic. (NAV officers don&#8217;t navigate, their work is supervisory and administrative, the enlisted men navigate the ship). We had one who was an alcoholic, it was easier for officers because their personal belongings were never inspected. </p>
<p>This one was transferred from duty ashore as a gunfire spotter with the Marines, and he was a psychological basket case.  We liked the man, and did our best to cover for him, and his fellow officers must have known too, but looked the other way.</p>
<p>One night, an emergency arose on the bridge, and the skipper sent me to his stateroom to wake him up.  I couldn&#8217;t get him up, and he kept on telling me to tell the captain he wasn&#8217;t coming while I pleaded with him to get dressed or he would get in deep trouble. The stench of liquor was on his breath.</p>
<p>Eventually, the officer who shared his stateroom with him rolled out of the top rack and told me to go back to the bridge and tell the old man the Lieutenant would be right up.  A few weeks after that, he was transferred off the ship. </p>
<p>As an aside, I hope I&#8217;m not boring you people with all these Navy stories.  I realize I was on the ship for only 13 months , from Nov &#8217;67 to Dec &#8217;68, and I was a young man, I turned my 21st birthday while on board. But so much happened so fast.  But even though my experiences were very ordinary, and shared by many others, I simply cannot imagine my life without that crazy time having been a part of it. It has haunted me ever since.</p>
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