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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9516</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s only polite to return things cleaner than when you got them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only polite to return things cleaner than when you got them.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9501</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a diplomatic nicety.  When the N Koreans requested we return one of their late-model MIGS which a defector flew to the South, we did so just a few months later--completely dismantled and inspected, in crates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a diplomatic nicety.  When the N Koreans requested we return one of their late-model MIGS which a defector flew to the South, we did so just a few months later&#8211;completely dismantled and inspected, in crates.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9487</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An illegal spying overflight comes into the hands of those upon whom it was spying.

And it should be given back?

The only reason Obama would ask for it back would be to maintain the fiction that it was on a legal flight over Pakistan and the incursion was the result of mechanical difficulties.  Then he&#039;d have a case for the return of the vehicle.</description>
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<p>And it should be given back?</p>
<p>The only reason Obama would ask for it back would be to maintain the fiction that it was on a legal flight over Pakistan and the incursion was the result of mechanical difficulties.  Then he&#8217;d have a case for the return of the vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9484</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hands up, anyone who thought that would work.</description>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9479</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;US asks Iran to return it. Iran says no. Nuff said.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US asks Iran to return it. Iran says no. Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9474</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the last thousand years, I doubt that any non-illiterate person over 50 has died believing government is truthful.</description>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9464</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Powers was vilified in the American press.  It was claimed he had agreed to commit suicide instead of being captured (he didn&#039;t, the subject wasn&#039;t raised), and that he told the Soviets all the specifications of the U-2 (he didn&#039;t)
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He even managed to be deceptive about the altitude.  I was surprised to read that the Soviet radar could not give an accurate reading of how high he was.

Kruschev was having problems with his Politburo and he was forced to respond forcefully.  He was being criticized the way Obama is for not going in and getting that RQ-170 back.  When Eisenhower refused to apologize, Kruschev was forced to sabotage a 4-power conference.

He was interrogated at length but not tortured.  Actually he was treated rather well, considering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powers was vilified in the American press.  It was claimed he had agreed to commit suicide instead of being captured (he didn&#8217;t, the subject wasn&#8217;t raised), and that he told the Soviets all the specifications of the U-2 (he didn&#8217;t)<br />
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He even managed to be deceptive about the altitude.  I was surprised to read that the Soviet radar could not give an accurate reading of how high he was.</p>
<p>Kruschev was having problems with his Politburo and he was forced to respond forcefully.  He was being criticized the way Obama is for not going in and getting that RQ-170 back.  When Eisenhower refused to apologize, Kruschev was forced to sabotage a 4-power conference.</p>
<p>He was interrogated at length but not tortured.  Actually he was treated rather well, considering.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9460</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we can hear it, it&#039;s not impossible for them to hear it.

Unfortunately, an RPV must constantly feedback information to its controllers, so it cannot be totally stealthy.  It is emitting radiation, cleverly and sneakily, but sooner or later people will figure out how to crack Enigma.  They always have.  Maybe that&#039;s not how they got this one, but if they&#039;re smart, we&#039;ll never know for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can hear it, it&#8217;s not impossible for them to hear it.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, an RPV must constantly feedback information to its controllers, so it cannot be totally stealthy.  It is emitting radiation, cleverly and sneakily, but sooner or later people will figure out how to crack Enigma.  They always have.  Maybe that&#8217;s not how they got this one, but if they&#8217;re smart, we&#8217;ll never know for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2011/12/12/a-bit-more-on-that-pesky-drone/#comment-9458</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 04:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On May Day, 1960, the USSR shot down a US spy plane, the U2, and captured its pilot, Gary Powers.  I was 13 years old, and old enough to read the papers.  I was also young and impressionable, and actually believed the cover story President Eisenhower was trying to push, that it was a weather observation plane that had strayed off course. I was furious at the audacity of the Russians at doing this, but slowly the truth started to come out, and I felt betrayed.  

It was the first time (that I knew of) my country had been caught red-handed in a lie, and I actually believed that had never happened before. It is a testament to how carefully programmed and indoctrinated we were at school in those days, and how the grown-up press cooperated in the deception. I remember with particular relish how my home town paper &quot;proved&quot; (with imagery analysis!) that a Russki space probe had NOT photographed the back side of the moon. Sooner or later, I knew we would take our own pictures.  Not even the Russians could be that stupid. 

There were other lies to come, in fact, the Bay of Pigs was less than a year later, but the U2 really hurt the most because it was the first. Later, there was a constant barrage of excuses and evasions in the press, how the Russians didn&#039;t have the tech to shoot down this high flyer, that it must have had a flameout and was forced to a lower altitude where it was an easy kill--as if that made any difference. There were excuses everywhere.

I&#039;m grown up now, and a bit more cynical.  I know my country lies, and I am not as outraged as I used to be, sometimes it is even necessary to lie, there are ugly games with big stakes out there.  Sometimes we get caught in our lies, but I don&#039;t see or feel the same sense of betrayal or hypocrisy I used to.
I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s good or bad.

I suppose there&#039;s some progress, but after the Pentagon Papers, the Domino Theory, the Cambodian bombing, Watergate, the October Surprise, Iran-Contra,the Iraq WMDs and a host of others, nothing surprises anyone any more, and our press no longer accepts the government line without question. The Kennedy shooting was probably what we were told it was, but the conspiracies could no longer be ruled out from the start. There will always be doubts now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On May Day, 1960, the USSR shot down a US spy plane, the U2, and captured its pilot, Gary Powers.  I was 13 years old, and old enough to read the papers.  I was also young and impressionable, and actually believed the cover story President Eisenhower was trying to push, that it was a weather observation plane that had strayed off course. I was furious at the audacity of the Russians at doing this, but slowly the truth started to come out, and I felt betrayed.  </p>
<p>It was the first time (that I knew of) my country had been caught red-handed in a lie, and I actually believed that had never happened before. It is a testament to how carefully programmed and indoctrinated we were at school in those days, and how the grown-up press cooperated in the deception. I remember with particular relish how my home town paper &#8220;proved&#8221; (with imagery analysis!) that a Russki space probe had NOT photographed the back side of the moon. Sooner or later, I knew we would take our own pictures.  Not even the Russians could be that stupid. </p>
<p>There were other lies to come, in fact, the Bay of Pigs was less than a year later, but the U2 really hurt the most because it was the first. Later, there was a constant barrage of excuses and evasions in the press, how the Russians didn&#8217;t have the tech to shoot down this high flyer, that it must have had a flameout and was forced to a lower altitude where it was an easy kill&#8211;as if that made any difference. There were excuses everywhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m grown up now, and a bit more cynical.  I know my country lies, and I am not as outraged as I used to be, sometimes it is even necessary to lie, there are ugly games with big stakes out there.  Sometimes we get caught in our lies, but I don&#8217;t see or feel the same sense of betrayal or hypocrisy I used to.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s good or bad.</p>
<p>I suppose there&#8217;s some progress, but after the Pentagon Papers, the Domino Theory, the Cambodian bombing, Watergate, the October Surprise, Iran-Contra,the Iraq WMDs and a host of others, nothing surprises anyone any more, and our press no longer accepts the government line without question. The Kennedy shooting was probably what we were told it was, but the conspiracies could no longer be ruled out from the start. There will always be doubts now.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beacon- long interval, short duration n/t</description>
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