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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10606</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another article on college and the economy,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/01/dont-let-the-economy-pick-your-major-for-you/250992/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another article on college and the economy,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/01/dont-let-the-economy-pick-your-major-for-you/250992/" rel="nofollow">Here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10525</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 06:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just attempting a bit of levity Bowser. n/t</description>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10521</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 06:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what you meant by that, except that the idea the world isn&#039;t what children are taught bothers you.  Well, it bothers all of us.

And thanks for the permission to have a cup of coffee and get laid.  It would mean a lot more if you were a beautiful woman, but what the hell - it&#039;s the thought that counts.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you meant by that, except that the idea the world isn&#8217;t what children are taught bothers you.  Well, it bothers all of us.</p>
<p>And thanks for the permission to have a cup of coffee and get laid.  It would mean a lot more if you were a beautiful woman, but what the hell &#8211; it&#8217;s the thought that counts.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10506</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 22:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now that you&#039;ve got this evil world all figured out...&lt;/p&gt;

Have a latte and stop and smell the roses.

Or get laid, whatever it takes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that you&#8217;ve got this evil world all figured out&#8230;</p>
<p>Have a latte and stop and smell the roses.</p>
<p>Or get laid, whatever it takes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10501</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the argument we usually use to reassure ourselves. But most jobs, even medieval peasant, require some skill. In our society, most skilled jobs are being replaced by machine-assisted experts. We can&#039;t all be video game designers. 

Only the unskilled jobs will remain in great numbers, just as what happened when the Europeans colonized Asia and Africa.  The traditional handicrafts and artisanship disappeared as foreign manufactured goods and factory farms upended the native economies.

That&#039;s why Gandi wore homespun, and the spinning wheel decorates the Indian flag.  Their fiber was being shipped to Btitain where it was woven into cloth and shipped back to India. And millions were out of work, while British workers had jobs.

I fear we will become a nation of coolies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the argument we usually use to reassure ourselves. But most jobs, even medieval peasant, require some skill. In our society, most skilled jobs are being replaced by machine-assisted experts. We can&#8217;t all be video game designers. </p>
<p>Only the unskilled jobs will remain in great numbers, just as what happened when the Europeans colonized Asia and Africa.  The traditional handicrafts and artisanship disappeared as foreign manufactured goods and factory farms upended the native economies.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why Gandi wore homespun, and the spinning wheel decorates the Indian flag.  Their fiber was being shipped to Btitain where it was woven into cloth and shipped back to India. And millions were out of work, while British workers had jobs.</p>
<p>I fear we will become a nation of coolies.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To be fair, there are skills that outlive their usefulness over time as technology changes.&lt;/p&gt;  Not a lot of blacksmiths around, for example, although you can still find one if you need one.

A lot of people are doing jobs now that didn&#039;t exist thirty years ago.  That counts for something, too.

There still seem to be plenty of plumbers and electricians, if we&#039;re just talking the general ones.  I suppose an MBA could do the work, but then he really wouldn&#039;t be an MBA any more.

And yes, the digital information network has made it much easier to work with people located around the world.  That&#039;s going to take time to reach its level, and there really isn&#039;t much we can do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, there are skills that outlive their usefulness over time as technology changes.</p>
<p>  Not a lot of blacksmiths around, for example, although you can still find one if you need one.</p>
<p>A lot of people are doing jobs now that didn&#8217;t exist thirty years ago.  That counts for something, too.</p>
<p>There still seem to be plenty of plumbers and electricians, if we&#8217;re just talking the general ones.  I suppose an MBA could do the work, but then he really wouldn&#8217;t be an MBA any more.</p>
<p>And yes, the digital information network has made it much easier to work with people located around the world.  That&#8217;s going to take time to reach its level, and there really isn&#8217;t much we can do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10491</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The loss of human capital, like the nuclear workers we referred to, is what really hurts.  This is how &quot;plain folks&quot; could contribute mightily to the society.  And that cancer is working its way up the food chain.

Its not just plumbers and electricians who are getting scarce, pretty soon it will be experienced managers and administrators, all taken over by GenY twits in Gucci suits with BusAd degrees and sneers to match.

As human skills disappear, those that can&#039;t be taken over by machine, or outsourced, will simply be forgotten as we &quot;restructure&quot; our industries (and our economy) so we don&#039;t need them. There will always be some cartographic software developer in Singapore or Kuala Lumpur that will know the difference between latitude and longitude. 

OTOH, thanks for tip about the MAD archive.  Now THAT&#039;s a treasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The loss of human capital, like the nuclear workers we referred to, is what really hurts.  This is how &#8220;plain folks&#8221; could contribute mightily to the society.  And that cancer is working its way up the food chain.</p>
<p>Its not just plumbers and electricians who are getting scarce, pretty soon it will be experienced managers and administrators, all taken over by GenY twits in Gucci suits with BusAd degrees and sneers to match.</p>
<p>As human skills disappear, those that can&#8217;t be taken over by machine, or outsourced, will simply be forgotten as we &#8220;restructure&#8221; our industries (and our economy) so we don&#8217;t need them. There will always be some cartographic software developer in Singapore or Kuala Lumpur that will know the difference between latitude and longitude. </p>
<p>OTOH, thanks for tip about the MAD archive.  Now THAT&#8217;s a treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10484</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In places I&#039;ve worked, an Honorable Discharge looked pretty good on a resume, particularly in aerospace.&lt;/p&gt;  Some of our hottest engineers came out of a military background.

Your low opinion of MBAs is pretty widespread, particularly among the entrepreneurial set.

A lot of my friends can&#039;t say the words &quot;Harvard MBA&quot; without reflexively spitting on the ground.  I won&#039;t go into specific histories.

So much of our talent in the nuclear industry is disappearing.  I&#039;ve heard that even if we start building new plants we&#039;ll have to outsource a lot of it.

The &quot;old guys&quot; in the space industry are disappearing, too.  Thank God the private space companies are picking up a lot of what NASA&#039;s leaving behind.

BTW, did you know you can get the complete MAD magazine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Absolutely-MAD-Magazine-50-Years/dp/B000HKMQ64/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1325963870&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on disc?&lt;/a&gt;  My wife gave it to me as a present last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In places I&#8217;ve worked, an Honorable Discharge looked pretty good on a resume, particularly in aerospace.</p>
<p>  Some of our hottest engineers came out of a military background.</p>
<p>Your low opinion of MBAs is pretty widespread, particularly among the entrepreneurial set.</p>
<p>A lot of my friends can&#8217;t say the words &#8220;Harvard MBA&#8221; without reflexively spitting on the ground.  I won&#8217;t go into specific histories.</p>
<p>So much of our talent in the nuclear industry is disappearing.  I&#8217;ve heard that even if we start building new plants we&#8217;ll have to outsource a lot of it.</p>
<p>The &#8220;old guys&#8221; in the space industry are disappearing, too.  Thank God the private space companies are picking up a lot of what NASA&#8217;s leaving behind.</p>
<p>BTW, did you know you can get the complete MAD magazine <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Absolutely-MAD-Magazine-50-Years/dp/B000HKMQ64/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1325963870&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">on disc?</a>  My wife gave it to me as a present last year.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10481</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 Corinthians 13:11  St. Paul:  &quot;When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.&quot; 

TB:  &quot;The trick is learning to think before the baggage you can also pick up in college settles in.&quot; 

TB, I&#039;ve never seen a more honest statement.  It&#039;s a point I&#039;ve been making for years, that many people haven&#039;t examined what they learned as children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 Corinthians 13:11  St. Paul:  &#8220;When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.&#8221; </p>
<p>TB:  &#8220;The trick is learning to think before the baggage you can also pick up in college settles in.&#8221; </p>
<p>TB, I&#8217;ve never seen a more honest statement.  It&#8217;s a point I&#8217;ve been making for years, that many people haven&#8217;t examined what they learned as children.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/06/how-art-history-majors-power-the-u-s-economy-2/#comment-10479</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of my bosses told me the same thing your Dad told you.&lt;/p&gt;

But I&#039;ll be forever grateful some of &quot;all that baggage you can also pick up in college&quot; DID have a chance to settle in and take root. In fact, it&#039;s played a major role in building my world view, as well as that of many of my working class contemporaries, and its backed up with lots of scholarly footnotes, too! 8)  But alas, that was all before the university  became a business, and the degree a saleable commodity to be bid for.

College was the third time in my life I was exposed to the idea that not everything they taught you at home and public school, or on the job, was on the level.  The second was when I started reading science fiction. SF taught me that there were alien cultures and alternate social universes that deserved exploration, some as a promise of better things, some as a warning of potential horrors, and some as just parodies of our contemporary  social myths.  And some were even contradictory, which taught me that opposed ideologies can sound perfectly plausible when artfully presented. Even more important, I learned sometimes they may each have some merit, or share fatal flaws, even if they do superficially contradict one other.

My first exposure to adult and conventional societal hypocrisy  was MAD Magazine, for which I will forever be thankful.  My parents were absolutely right, &quot;no good will ever come of you reading that trash.&quot;

I personally find the idea of a university degree as some kind of charm school rite-of-passage for the corporate world distasteful and elitist. I see no reason why a degree in French gives you a boost in competition for a job as a City Planner. Too bad that nowadays an 
Honorable Discharge cannot play that role instead. After I got out, my Service got my foot in a couple of doors that might otherwise have been shut to me. 

The passing of industrial apprenticeships is much to be lamented.  My cousin Rudy, who has just retired from the Nuke plant at Turkey Point, tells me the company used to work together with the unions to provide structured apprenticeship programs that ensured a constant pool of expert techs and institutional memory to maintain the power plant and reactor. My other cousin, Red Robert, also proudly reminisces about the trade apprenticeship he participated in, then later helped administer when he became a union official.

However, over the last few decades, the  boy blunder MBA&#039;s constant greed to squeeze the last nickel of profits out of the operation led to the dismantling of these programs on the grounds that they were no longer &quot;cost-effective&quot;.

In the short run, this was true, there was always a pool of retired, un- or under-employed pipefitters, machinists, electricians, insulators, etc ready to come in as temps and do a repair or prep for an inspection for a big cash premium (with no benefits, of course).  As he put it, &quot;every time the reactors went down for maintenance, they blew on this big horn and these old guys in overalls with long beards and toolboxes would come out of Appalachia to answer the call.&quot;

But those old guys are starting to die off, or have drifted into other fields, or are retired, and they are getting harder and harder to find. They have to pay more and more for them, or bring in foreigners from overseas, and of course, there are no longer any &quot;cost-effective training programs&quot; replenishing the supply.

My cousin gets calls from the plant all the time, begging him to come back and conduct training courses, they offer good pay, but no benefits, or job security. He knows he can afford to wait until they get desperate and give him everything he wants.  

Its supply and demand.  They need him more than he needs them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my bosses told me the same thing your Dad told you.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll be forever grateful some of &#8220;all that baggage you can also pick up in college&#8221; DID have a chance to settle in and take root. In fact, it&#8217;s played a major role in building my world view, as well as that of many of my working class contemporaries, and its backed up with lots of scholarly footnotes, too! <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' />  But alas, that was all before the university  became a business, and the degree a saleable commodity to be bid for.</p>
<p>College was the third time in my life I was exposed to the idea that not everything they taught you at home and public school, or on the job, was on the level.  The second was when I started reading science fiction. SF taught me that there were alien cultures and alternate social universes that deserved exploration, some as a promise of better things, some as a warning of potential horrors, and some as just parodies of our contemporary  social myths.  And some were even contradictory, which taught me that opposed ideologies can sound perfectly plausible when artfully presented. Even more important, I learned sometimes they may each have some merit, or share fatal flaws, even if they do superficially contradict one other.</p>
<p>My first exposure to adult and conventional societal hypocrisy  was MAD Magazine, for which I will forever be thankful.  My parents were absolutely right, &#8220;no good will ever come of you reading that trash.&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally find the idea of a university degree as some kind of charm school rite-of-passage for the corporate world distasteful and elitist. I see no reason why a degree in French gives you a boost in competition for a job as a City Planner. Too bad that nowadays an<br />
Honorable Discharge cannot play that role instead. After I got out, my Service got my foot in a couple of doors that might otherwise have been shut to me. </p>
<p>The passing of industrial apprenticeships is much to be lamented.  My cousin Rudy, who has just retired from the Nuke plant at Turkey Point, tells me the company used to work together with the unions to provide structured apprenticeship programs that ensured a constant pool of expert techs and institutional memory to maintain the power plant and reactor. My other cousin, Red Robert, also proudly reminisces about the trade apprenticeship he participated in, then later helped administer when he became a union official.</p>
<p>However, over the last few decades, the  boy blunder MBA&#8217;s constant greed to squeeze the last nickel of profits out of the operation led to the dismantling of these programs on the grounds that they were no longer &#8220;cost-effective&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the short run, this was true, there was always a pool of retired, un- or under-employed pipefitters, machinists, electricians, insulators, etc ready to come in as temps and do a repair or prep for an inspection for a big cash premium (with no benefits, of course).  As he put it, &#8220;every time the reactors went down for maintenance, they blew on this big horn and these old guys in overalls with long beards and toolboxes would come out of Appalachia to answer the call.&#8221;</p>
<p>But those old guys are starting to die off, or have drifted into other fields, or are retired, and they are getting harder and harder to find. They have to pay more and more for them, or bring in foreigners from overseas, and of course, there are no longer any &#8220;cost-effective training programs&#8221; replenishing the supply.</p>
<p>My cousin gets calls from the plant all the time, begging him to come back and conduct training courses, they offer good pay, but no benefits, or job security. He knows he can afford to wait until they get desperate and give him everything he wants.  </p>
<p>Its supply and demand.  They need him more than he needs them.</p>
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