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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-11416</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To paraphrase Tony Randall: &quot;You guys are going to love St. Thomas when you find out about him.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To paraphrase Tony Randall: &#8220;You guys are going to love St. Thomas when you find out about him.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: johannes</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10731</link>
		<dc:creator>johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the unknowable is still unknowable even to me.;-)
The best tip I can give is that, to break even, do not bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the unknowable is still unknowable even to me.;-)<br />
The best tip I can give is that, to break even, do not bet.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10726</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  You sure do know a great deal about the unknowable.  Have you got any tips on the Florida Lotto?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  You sure do know a great deal about the unknowable.  Have you got any tips on the Florida Lotto?</p>
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		<title>By: johannes</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10666</link>
		<dc:creator>johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My answers at this moment in time are as follows; my answers can change if someone can prove that I am wrong.

Is there a God?------------- That name implies a “creator” of space, mass, and energy. (yes)
Is there only one?---------- The “creator” fills the totality of infinite space.  (yes)
Is he omniscient, eternal and omnipotent, ------ See the previous answer.   (yes)
Is he still around, ------------------------See the previous answer.   (yes)
Does he even know we’re here? ------If the mass of our bodies or brains are quantum entangled with his intelligence, then the answer is yes.
If he does, does he really care about us? ------ I do not know, you could ask him if you ever meet him.
Is he divine?-----------The quantum entanglement would give him that ability. (yes)
Does the previous question really even make any sense?--------yes
Did he create the laws of nature?----------yes
Does he have to obey the laws of nature?----------He IS the laws of nature.
Does he demand our worship and praise?--------- No

Does he deserve our worship or praise?------(yes) Would you deliberately antagonize an omnipotent being? 
Did he create the universe, or does he just manage it?----- Both
Can he build a house he cannot tear down? _____If he can build it, then he can also tear it down.
Does he hear our prayers? ---The quantum entanglement would give him that ability. (yes)
Does he answer our prayers?----His omniscient, eternal and omnipotent qualities would give him that ability.
Why do we give God a masculine identity?----- Man is able to create, and God created the universe, He is the ultimate creator. By being able to create, man displays the ability or “image” of the ultimate creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answers at this moment in time are as follows; my answers can change if someone can prove that I am wrong.</p>
<p>Is there a God?&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- That name implies a “creator” of space, mass, and energy. (yes)<br />
Is there only one?&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- The “creator” fills the totality of infinite space.  (yes)<br />
Is he omniscient, eternal and omnipotent, &#8212;&#8212; See the previous answer.   (yes)<br />
Is he still around, &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;See the previous answer.   (yes)<br />
Does he even know we’re here? &#8212;&#8212;If the mass of our bodies or brains are quantum entangled with his intelligence, then the answer is yes.<br />
If he does, does he really care about us? &#8212;&#8212; I do not know, you could ask him if you ever meet him.<br />
Is he divine?&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;The quantum entanglement would give him that ability. (yes)<br />
Does the previous question really even make any sense?&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;yes<br />
Did he create the laws of nature?&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-yes<br />
Does he have to obey the laws of nature?&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-He IS the laws of nature.<br />
Does he demand our worship and praise?&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; No</p>
<p>Does he deserve our worship or praise?&#8212;&#8212;(yes) Would you deliberately antagonize an omnipotent being?<br />
Did he create the universe, or does he just manage it?&#8212;&#8211; Both<br />
Can he build a house he cannot tear down? _____If he can build it, then he can also tear it down.<br />
Does he hear our prayers? &#8212;The quantum entanglement would give him that ability. (yes)<br />
Does he answer our prayers?&#8212;-His omniscient, eternal and omnipotent qualities would give him that ability.<br />
Why do we give God a masculine identity?&#8212;&#8211; Man is able to create, and God created the universe, He is the ultimate creator. By being able to create, man displays the ability or “image” of the ultimate creator.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10635</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as I said elsewhere, the actual nuts and bolts of creation are not normally on the top ten list of things important to a mainstream Christian.  Or other People of the Book, come to that.

How many Jews or Muslims do you hear about who claim the Earth is only 4,000 years old?

The main idea of Christianity is that God wants us to behave in certain ways toward other people, and have a relationship with him.  The idea of the incarnation was a radical attempt on God&#039;s part to achieve this connection, and teach us about being human.

  
&quot;Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.&quot;  Matthew 7:12

As Manuel said in &lt;em&gt;Moon is a Harsh Mistress&lt;/em&gt; (paraphrased): &quot;Don&#039;t know who&#039;s turning crank, am pleased he doesn&#039;t stop.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I said elsewhere, the actual nuts and bolts of creation are not normally on the top ten list of things important to a mainstream Christian.  Or other People of the Book, come to that.</p>
<p>How many Jews or Muslims do you hear about who claim the Earth is only 4,000 years old?</p>
<p>The main idea of Christianity is that God wants us to behave in certain ways toward other people, and have a relationship with him.  The idea of the incarnation was a radical attempt on God&#8217;s part to achieve this connection, and teach us about being human.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.&#8221;  Matthew 7:12</p>
<p>As Manuel said in <em>Moon is a Harsh Mistress</em> (paraphrased): &#8220;Don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s turning crank, am pleased he doesn&#8217;t stop.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10634</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. They all seem to be of the order of “Just how many meatballs are there in the Great Sphagetti Monster?” How do you ask honest questions about something that may not exist at all, that there isn’t the slightest reason to believe in the first place?

So why do we believe in the first place? THe first reason is no one wants to die, and we all want reassurance that we need not do so. 

The second is we feel the need for everything to make sense, to have meaning. The idea that the Universe, and us, serve no human purpose, that we really do not matter, is intolerable to us.

Reasons one and two can be dismissed as part of our our evolutionary programming. Intelligent organisms that have no urge to self-preservation, or that have no interest or curiosity about their surroundings, that do not seek out patterns in the universe about them, would be at a Darwinian disadvantage.

But there is a third reason, one that keeps this argument alive, and one that science or philosophy is poorly equipped to answer. The universe is an extremely complicated place, intricately constructed and remarkably self-consistent. Our experience tells us that systems like this are not random collections of phenomena, that there is usually an intelligence of some sort behind them.

The possibility that there is some intelligence responsible for the existence and organization of the cosmos simply cannot be ruled out. That’s not evidence that this intelligence necessarily exists, but it is a valid hypothesis, in my opinion. It is a working conjecture, and once we accept it, the next step is the Checklist.

There is a clue to this mystery. Our speculations about god are subconsciously influenced by cultural factors. Even militant atheists tend to debunk the Judeo-Christian concept of god, as if that were the only one that was conceivable. But it is not. Other religions, particularly Buddhism and Taoism, do not particularly see the world as a creation of a supreme being. Even if there is a god, that god is remote and indifferent to human affairs. In some cultures, there is a belief in gods who created the world, and who can be occasionally lobbied by worship, sacrifice or ritual to help us (or just leave us alone!), but who carry out their own existence without any particular plans for us. 

As an atheist myself (actually, a very strong agnostic) I recognize that much of my “logic and reasoning” on these issues is colored by cultural or psychological factors. In other words, I’m perfectly willing to admit I may be overlooking something very important in my speculations. As you may have noticed about me, I’m not particularly confident about my own objectivity. I see others around me who seem totally unaware that they are making colossal errors of reasoning, and it would be foolish of me to convince myself I was immune from making those same errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. They all seem to be of the order of “Just how many meatballs are there in the Great Sphagetti Monster?” How do you ask honest questions about something that may not exist at all, that there isn’t the slightest reason to believe in the first place?</p>
<p>So why do we believe in the first place? THe first reason is no one wants to die, and we all want reassurance that we need not do so. </p>
<p>The second is we feel the need for everything to make sense, to have meaning. The idea that the Universe, and us, serve no human purpose, that we really do not matter, is intolerable to us.</p>
<p>Reasons one and two can be dismissed as part of our our evolutionary programming. Intelligent organisms that have no urge to self-preservation, or that have no interest or curiosity about their surroundings, that do not seek out patterns in the universe about them, would be at a Darwinian disadvantage.</p>
<p>But there is a third reason, one that keeps this argument alive, and one that science or philosophy is poorly equipped to answer. The universe is an extremely complicated place, intricately constructed and remarkably self-consistent. Our experience tells us that systems like this are not random collections of phenomena, that there is usually an intelligence of some sort behind them.</p>
<p>The possibility that there is some intelligence responsible for the existence and organization of the cosmos simply cannot be ruled out. That’s not evidence that this intelligence necessarily exists, but it is a valid hypothesis, in my opinion. It is a working conjecture, and once we accept it, the next step is the Checklist.</p>
<p>There is a clue to this mystery. Our speculations about god are subconsciously influenced by cultural factors. Even militant atheists tend to debunk the Judeo-Christian concept of god, as if that were the only one that was conceivable. But it is not. Other religions, particularly Buddhism and Taoism, do not particularly see the world as a creation of a supreme being. Even if there is a god, that god is remote and indifferent to human affairs. In some cultures, there is a belief in gods who created the world, and who can be occasionally lobbied by worship, sacrifice or ritual to help us (or just leave us alone!), but who carry out their own existence without any particular plans for us. </p>
<p>As an atheist myself (actually, a very strong agnostic) I recognize that much of my “logic and reasoning” on these issues is colored by cultural or psychological factors. In other words, I’m perfectly willing to admit I may be overlooking something very important in my speculations. As you may have noticed about me, I’m not particularly confident about my own objectivity. I see others around me who seem totally unaware that they are making colossal errors of reasoning, and it would be foolish of me to convince myself I was immune from making those same errors.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10633</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: visitor</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10627</link>
		<dc:creator>visitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10625</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the real question is &quot;how would you accumulate the data to answer these questions?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the real question is &#8220;how would you accumulate the data to answer these questions?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/10/the-god-checklist/#comment-10623</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dovetailed, yes, but at a full 90 degrees away into theology. Good topic, but let&#039;s keep this board all science, as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dovetailed, yes, but at a full 90 degrees away into theology. Good topic, but let&#8217;s keep this board all science, as much as possible.</p>
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