Comments on: Ideological groups in the U.S. https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/ Sat, 18 Apr 2026 06:56:03 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TB https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10770 TB Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:47:25 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10770 <p>Doesn't matter.</p> How many people who "self-identify" as conservative are going to vote for Obama this time around? Remember, last time he ran as something he wasn't. This time, he's running as what he is. Doesn’t matter.

How many people who “self-identify” as conservative are going to vote for Obama this time around?

Remember, last time he ran as something he wasn’t. This time, he’s running as what he is.

]]> By: TB https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10768 TB Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:44:15 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10768 <p>Read the sentence again.</p> It has a precise meaning. Conservatives don't usually pretend to be leftists to win elections. Leftists have to pretend not to be leftists all the time. The graph I posted is a major reason for this. Read the sentence again.

It has a precise meaning. Conservatives don’t usually pretend to be leftists to win elections. Leftists have to pretend not to be leftists all the time.

The graph I posted is a major reason for this.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10758 bowser Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:06:22 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10758 Just noticed this. "A leftist has to do a lot of lying about what he is to get elected to national office in this country." Your memory is shot, TB. The lies as told by the Bushes, Cheney and Reagan are considered classic. All to achieve power at any price. Not that you've ever been able to admit they lied. You haven't. Which is a demonstration of something very, very profound. Arf Just noticed this. “A leftist has to do a lot of lying about what he is to get elected to national office in this country.”

Your memory is shot, TB. The lies as told by the Bushes, Cheney and Reagan are considered classic. All to achieve power at any price.

Not that you’ve ever been able to admit they lied. You haven’t. Which is a demonstration of something very, very profound.

Arf

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10757 bowser Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:02:40 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10757 Remember, those are self-reports, and the "conservatives" haven't passed the purity tests. And the moderates couldn't. So these charts are meaningless when it comes to reflecting the world as a Tea Partier would see it. Remember, those are self-reports, and the “conservatives” haven’t passed the purity tests.

And the moderates couldn’t.

So these charts are meaningless when it comes to reflecting the world as a Tea Partier would see it.

]]> By: TB https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10734 TB Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:44:15 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10734 <p>That, like many other things I'm seeing here, is not true.</p> The takeaway from the chart is polarization: moderates down 8 points, and conservatives and liberals up 4 each. I don't know how much crossover there is between "moderates" in this poll and "independents" in the CBS poll I linked to below. The other takeaway is that the ratio of conservatives to liberals is almost 2 to 1. A leftist has to do a lot of lying about what he is to get elected to national office in this country. It worked in 2008. It isn't going to work twice. That, like many other things I’m seeing here, is not true.

The takeaway from the chart is polarization: moderates down 8 points, and conservatives and liberals up 4 each. I don’t know how much crossover there is between “moderates” in this poll and “independents” in the CBS poll I linked to below.

The other takeaway is that the ratio of conservatives to liberals is almost 2 to 1.

A leftist has to do a lot of lying about what he is to get elected to national office in this country. It worked in 2008. It isn’t going to work twice.

]]> By: BuckGalaxy https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10733 BuckGalaxy Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:15:08 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10733 You forgot that to conservatives there is no such thing as a "moderate." Anyone one nanometer to the left of a given conservative is a socialist! LMAO that they don't even know the meaning of the word. You forgot that to conservatives there is no such thing as a “moderate.” Anyone one nanometer to the left of a given conservative is a socialist! LMAO that they don’t even know the meaning of the word.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10719 bowser Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:15:30 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10719 Nevertheless, - - - Nevertheless, – - -

]]> By: TB https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10718 TB Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:40:09 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10718 <p>The President is a Democrat because the last Presidential election was in 2008.</p> According to this <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57355518-503544/poll-among-gop-hopefuls-romney-fares-best-against-obama/?tag=cbsnewsLeadStoriesArea" rel="nofollow">CBS News Poll,</a> if the election were right now, Romney would beat Obama, and the largest margin of loss among all the other Republicans is 8 points. The Senate (not the House) is still Democrat after 2010 because only a third of them come up for election each time. Had this not been the case, the Senate would not be Democratic now. Next time around the Democrats are defending 23 Senate seats compared to 10 Republicans. Nine Senators decided not to run for re-election. Seven are Democrats (one technically an Independent) including Ben Nelson, the guy you never heard of. The Republicans need to pick up four seats. In the House, everyone's up for election each time. That's why the Democrats suffered the highest House loss in a midterm election since 1938. The Democrats will not be getting the House back next time around. You should "go figure" now and then. It's good exercise. The President is a Democrat because the last Presidential election was in 2008.

According to this CBS News Poll, if the election were right now, Romney would beat Obama, and the largest margin of loss among all the other Republicans is 8 points.

The Senate (not the House) is still Democrat after 2010 because only a third of them come up for election each time. Had this not been the case, the Senate would not be Democratic now.

Next time around the Democrats are defending 23 Senate seats compared to 10 Republicans. Nine Senators decided not to run for re-election. Seven are Democrats (one technically an Independent) including Ben Nelson, the guy you never heard of. The Republicans need to pick up four seats.

In the House, everyone’s up for election each time. That’s why the Democrats suffered the highest House loss in a midterm election since 1938. The Democrats will not be getting the House back next time around.

You should “go figure” now and then. It’s good exercise.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/12/ideological-groups-in-the-u-s/#comment-10716 bowser Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:06:19 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=7685#comment-10716 And yet the President and House of Representatives are Democrat. Go figure. And yet the President and House of Representatives are Democrat. Go figure.

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