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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11236</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in favor of a 10% national sales tax on stocks, bonds and derivatives, including hedge funds.  No food, no cars, no shoes, no nothing except stocks, bonds and derivatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in favor of a 10% national sales tax on stocks, bonds and derivatives, including hedge funds.  No food, no cars, no shoes, no nothing except stocks, bonds and derivatives.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11224</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice of you to link to a source that makes my point: &quot;But an analysis of the Fed data is still revealing in that it shows the wealth gap, as measured by net worth, is much more extreme than the chasm as measured by income.&quot;  I should add that it has only gotten worse since 2007.  And by worse I mean specifically that very few own most of the country and if trends continue, even fewer will own darn near all of it.

Strange for you to equate taxation with theft.  Well, maybe not.

Revolutions vs. injustice have a mixed record.  Better to avoid the injustice before it comes to that, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice of you to link to a source that makes my point: &#8220;But an analysis of the Fed data is still revealing in that it shows the wealth gap, as measured by net worth, is much more extreme than the chasm as measured by income.&#8221;  I should add that it has only gotten worse since 2007.  And by worse I mean specifically that very few own most of the country and if trends continue, even fewer will own darn near all of it.</p>
<p>Strange for you to equate taxation with theft.  Well, maybe not.</p>
<p>Revolutions vs. injustice have a mixed record.  Better to avoid the injustice before it comes to that, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11220</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The 2007 pre-recession numbers are in &lt;a href=&quot;http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/measuring-the-top-1-by-wealth-not-income/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article,&lt;/a&gt; divided into income, investments, and general financial assets.&lt;/p&gt;

According to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/2010/tax_liability_shares.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CBO,&lt;/a&gt; they pay about 28 percent of all Federal taxes (including payroll) and 40 percent of income taxes.

If they liquidated any of their investments (wealth), they&#039;d pay additional tax on that, too.  35 percent for short-term gains, 15 percent for long-term gains.  Under current law this is increasing to nearly 40 percent and 20 percent respectively in 2013.  Unless Obama extends the lower rates again like he did last time.

Your premise, of course, is that if anyone is rich enough you have the right to take it away from them.

The punk who jacks your car has the same philosophy about you.  It&#039;s a wonderful thing to base a political ideology around.

Almost every damn totalitarian thugocracy on the planet was founded by people who promised to take down the wealthy and powerful and create prosperity for all.

Go ahead, burn them all down.  See who pays the taxes next time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2007 pre-recession numbers are in <a href="http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/measuring-the-top-1-by-wealth-not-income/" rel="nofollow">this article,</a> divided into income, investments, and general financial assets.</p>
<p>According to the <a href="http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/2010/tax_liability_shares.pdf" rel="nofollow">CBO,</a> they pay about 28 percent of all Federal taxes (including payroll) and 40 percent of income taxes.</p>
<p>If they liquidated any of their investments (wealth), they&#8217;d pay additional tax on that, too.  35 percent for short-term gains, 15 percent for long-term gains.  Under current law this is increasing to nearly 40 percent and 20 percent respectively in 2013.  Unless Obama extends the lower rates again like he did last time.</p>
<p>Your premise, of course, is that if anyone is rich enough you have the right to take it away from them.</p>
<p>The punk who jacks your car has the same philosophy about you.  It&#8217;s a wonderful thing to base a political ideology around.</p>
<p>Almost every damn totalitarian thugocracy on the planet was founded by people who promised to take down the wealthy and powerful and create prosperity for all.</p>
<p>Go ahead, burn them all down.  See who pays the taxes next time around.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11213</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 03:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What percent of the wealth of America is owned by the top 1%?</description>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11212</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know what regressive means.&lt;/p&gt;

I asked if a democratic society should have a large majority that pays little or no taxes.

What is the upper limit on people on the receiving end?  At what point does the producing end fold up?  At what point are there too many people in the wagon for the dwindling remainder to pull?  In a system where majority rules?  Look up the definition of &quot;positive feedback system.&quot;

In 1960 there were five workers for every Social Security recipient.  That&#039;s down to three.  In a few more years it&#039;s going to be two.

Liberals believe there&#039;s no end point to this trend and that we can continue to vastly increase social spending and vastly increase taxes on an ever-smaller percentage of people.  The numbers are impossible, but that&#039;s never bothered them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what regressive means.</p>
<p>I asked if a democratic society should have a large majority that pays little or no taxes.</p>
<p>What is the upper limit on people on the receiving end?  At what point does the producing end fold up?  At what point are there too many people in the wagon for the dwindling remainder to pull?  In a system where majority rules?  Look up the definition of &#8220;positive feedback system.&#8221;</p>
<p>In 1960 there were five workers for every Social Security recipient.  That&#8217;s down to three.  In a few more years it&#8217;s going to be two.</p>
<p>Liberals believe there&#8217;s no end point to this trend and that we can continue to vastly increase social spending and vastly increase taxes on an ever-smaller percentage of people.  The numbers are impossible, but that&#8217;s never bothered them.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11210</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In other words, there&#039;s only so much room  in the economy for the wealthy. n/t&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, there&#8217;s only so much room  in the economy for the wealthy. n/t</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11207</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Saturday evening has turned into a real blast...Ma plugged the toilet...overflowed...shit water everywhere. Right after dinner.

Damn my life rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Saturday evening has turned into a real blast&#8230;Ma plugged the toilet&#8230;overflowed&#8230;shit water everywhere. Right after dinner.</p>
<p>Damn my life rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11203</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is a sales tax regressive&lt;/p&gt;

That was the question. Look up the definition of regressive tax.

What is the percentage of monthly income that a middle class family budgets for a months worth groceries? 

How many wealthy families even &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; a budget for groceries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a sales tax regressive</p>
<p>That was the question. Look up the definition of regressive tax.</p>
<p>What is the percentage of monthly income that a middle class family budgets for a months worth groceries? </p>
<p>How many wealthy families even <i>have</i> a budget for groceries?</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11201</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ve been over this.&lt;/p&gt;

Do we really want a society where the majority pays almost no taxes and gets to vote for the spending?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/2010/tax_liability_shares.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Who&#039;s paying now&lt;/a&gt;

The bottom 60 percent of taxpayers are paying less than 15 percent of the taxes.  And they get the same vote as the minority carrying most of the load, and pretty much the same services from government.  People keep talking about &quot;fairness.&quot;  Seems to be an odd definition of it, if you ask me.

Maybe we need just the top 1 percent paying all the taxes and the rest of us going along for the ride, voting for free medical care, free college educations, and free beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been over this.</p>
<p>Do we really want a society where the majority pays almost no taxes and gets to vote for the spending?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/2010/tax_liability_shares.pdf" rel="nofollow">Who&#8217;s paying now</a></p>
<p>The bottom 60 percent of taxpayers are paying less than 15 percent of the taxes.  And they get the same vote as the minority carrying most of the load, and pretty much the same services from government.  People keep talking about &#8220;fairness.&#8221;  Seems to be an odd definition of it, if you ask me.</p>
<p>Maybe we need just the top 1 percent paying all the taxes and the rest of us going along for the ride, voting for free medical care, free college educations, and free beer.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/17/why-a-conservative-can-win/#comment-11193</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right&lt;/p&gt;

Sales taxes are regressive. For sure there&#039;d   be an exemption on food and hopefully on gasoline.

After looking at Cain&#039;s 9-9-9 plan, it was pretty obvious the tax burden would slough off the wealthy and onto the middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right</p>
<p>Sales taxes are regressive. For sure there&#8217;d   be an exemption on food and hopefully on gasoline.</p>
<p>After looking at Cain&#8217;s 9-9-9 plan, it was pretty obvious the tax burden would slough off the wealthy and onto the middle class.</p>
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