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	<title>Comments on: Conservatives on verge of giving up a huge issue.</title>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/conservatives-on-verge-of-giving-up-a-huge-issue/#comment-11298</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t do it, can you.  I&#039;ve said in the past that you would benefit from some, any, formal education in debate and logic.  Sticking to the topic is the first thing you learn.  &quot;Your mother wears army boots&quot; is not considered a great reply except by rather juvenile folks.  Who hang around other folks, laughing and scratching over their cleverness.

It&#039;s important in formal debates as well as discussions with one&#039;s wife or husband to discuss one issue at a time.  Wandering all over the map is considered worse than bad form, it&#039;s considered bad faith and evidence of thinking problems.

There may be online courses you could attempt, TB, and I think that maybe you aren&#039;t able to see the issue, let alone have any interest in correcting it.

A shame, because you have potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t do it, can you.  I&#8217;ve said in the past that you would benefit from some, any, formal education in debate and logic.  Sticking to the topic is the first thing you learn.  &#8220;Your mother wears army boots&#8221; is not considered a great reply except by rather juvenile folks.  Who hang around other folks, laughing and scratching over their cleverness.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important in formal debates as well as discussions with one&#8217;s wife or husband to discuss one issue at a time.  Wandering all over the map is considered worse than bad form, it&#8217;s considered bad faith and evidence of thinking problems.</p>
<p>There may be online courses you could attempt, TB, and I think that maybe you aren&#8217;t able to see the issue, let alone have any interest in correcting it.</p>
<p>A shame, because you have potential.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/conservatives-on-verge-of-giving-up-a-huge-issue/#comment-11291</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, Rob.&lt;/p&gt;

A &quot;snap&quot; requires someone at the other end who gets it.  You can see how that went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Rob.</p>
<p>A &#8220;snap&#8221; requires someone at the other end who gets it.  You can see how that went.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/conservatives-on-verge-of-giving-up-a-huge-issue/#comment-11284</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Focus.  Track.  Concentrate.  Find where I trumpeted Democratic claims.  I didn&#039;t.  You can&#039;t find it.

Now, a bit of history.  Republicans have historically considered themselves the party of &quot;family values&quot; because they ostensibly endorsed a fundamental Christian view of the world.

So far, so good?  It&#039;s about Republican piety, their historical claim to be the morally and religiously superior party.  That&#039;s the topic.

Now comes Newt Gingrich as a possible Republican candidate for President.  Speaker Gingrich has been typically Republican, castigating others for what he has been doing himself.  His sexual life while he has been maintaining a very public attitude of superiority has been sordid at best, and that&#039;s just what we know.  These things are usually like icebergs, with the tip simply that which is impossible to hide, but we don&#039;t have to look below the surface, do we?

Got it?  A Republican who may be a Republican candidate for President is a hypocrite, a pious liar, a man driven from Congress by his character.  

Effectively giving up the Republican claim to be the religious, moral party, dedicated to the preservation of family values.  Gingrich is a sleazeball, not for his screwing around, per se, but for being a pious liar and the effect such screwing around has had on the people in his life.  His families.  

I added that one might compare Obama&#039;s history with Gingrich&#039;s.  If you want to start a thread on how Obama&#039;s attitude toward his marriage contrasts with Gingrich&#039;s, you are welcome to do so.

And if you want to wander all over the map as is usual with &quot;yer mother wears army boots&quot; kinds of remarks,   I can&#039;t stop it.  But I don&#039;t have to play along with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Focus.  Track.  Concentrate.  Find where I trumpeted Democratic claims.  I didn&#8217;t.  You can&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>Now, a bit of history.  Republicans have historically considered themselves the party of &#8220;family values&#8221; because they ostensibly endorsed a fundamental Christian view of the world.</p>
<p>So far, so good?  It&#8217;s about Republican piety, their historical claim to be the morally and religiously superior party.  That&#8217;s the topic.</p>
<p>Now comes Newt Gingrich as a possible Republican candidate for President.  Speaker Gingrich has been typically Republican, castigating others for what he has been doing himself.  His sexual life while he has been maintaining a very public attitude of superiority has been sordid at best, and that&#8217;s just what we know.  These things are usually like icebergs, with the tip simply that which is impossible to hide, but we don&#8217;t have to look below the surface, do we?</p>
<p>Got it?  A Republican who may be a Republican candidate for President is a hypocrite, a pious liar, a man driven from Congress by his character.  </p>
<p>Effectively giving up the Republican claim to be the religious, moral party, dedicated to the preservation of family values.  Gingrich is a sleazeball, not for his screwing around, per se, but for being a pious liar and the effect such screwing around has had on the people in his life.  His families.  </p>
<p>I added that one might compare Obama&#8217;s history with Gingrich&#8217;s.  If you want to start a thread on how Obama&#8217;s attitude toward his marriage contrasts with Gingrich&#8217;s, you are welcome to do so.</p>
<p>And if you want to wander all over the map as is usual with &#8220;yer mother wears army boots&#8221; kinds of remarks,   I can&#8217;t stop it.  But I don&#8217;t have to play along with it.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/conservatives-on-verge-of-giving-up-a-huge-issue/#comment-11276</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Snap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Snap!</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/conservatives-on-verge-of-giving-up-a-huge-issue/#comment-11260</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So, exactly when did Democrats start finding &quot;family values&quot; to be a virtue, and infidelity to be a flaw in a politician?&lt;/p&gt;

Just trying to keep track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, exactly when did Democrats start finding &#8220;family values&#8221; to be a virtue, and infidelity to be a flaw in a politician?</p>
<p>Just trying to keep track.</p>
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