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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11328</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic!!  However, there is no such thing as Obamacare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic!!  However, there is no such thing as Obamacare.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11327</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your first question was who was to pay for health insurance for the needy.  Be specific you said.  I was.  I asked if health insurance for a poor kid was more important than someone owning a 4 home.  No answer.

I said that in the 20th century the US was the worlds most powerful country.  Contrast it with the 19th century, the 18th century and the last half of the 17th century.  and, of course, the first part of the 21st century.

A good search engine is not a substitute for intelligence and judgment.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first question was who was to pay for health insurance for the needy.  Be specific you said.  I was.  I asked if health insurance for a poor kid was more important than someone owning a 4 home.  No answer.</p>
<p>I said that in the 20th century the US was the worlds most powerful country.  Contrast it with the 19th century, the 18th century and the last half of the 17th century.  and, of course, the first part of the 21st century.</p>
<p>A good search engine is not a substitute for intelligence and judgment.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11326</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty cut and dry as far as Medicare being more efficient.  5% spent on administering the program, 95% spend paying for health care.  Obamacare forces private insurance companies to use a minimum of 85% of revenues on care.  

There are some things government can do better than private industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty cut and dry as far as Medicare being more efficient.  5% spent on administering the program, 95% spend paying for health care.  Obamacare forces private insurance companies to use a minimum of 85% of revenues on care.  </p>
<p>There are some things government can do better than private industry.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11317</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;The United States was a powerful country&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

Give me a specific ideal year to work with, and we can take a look at a few numbers and facts.  If you&#039;d been paying any attention at all over the past couple of months, you wouldn&#039;t walk into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The United States was a powerful country&#8221;</p>
<p>Give me a specific ideal year to work with, and we can take a look at a few numbers and facts.  If you&#8217;d been paying any attention at all over the past couple of months, you wouldn&#8217;t walk into this.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11316</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely correct.  Screw them.  Nobody is &quot;earning&quot; an obscene amount of money.  A janitor is &quot;earning&quot; his or her living.

The United States was a powerful country when taxes were high, Unions represented workers, and wages were high.  As we have lost those things we have become weaker, an empty shell.

You won&#039;t believe this, but the US has lost the last three wars it has fought.  It won the Kuwait excursion with the help of 32 other countries, but that was not a war.  (By the way, read a history of that.  Schwartzkopf came up with the worst battle plan in history, was over-ruled by Powell and Bush, and the DoD came up with one and forced Schwarzkopf to use it.  For which he took credit.)

Anyway, no one deserves an obscene standard of living as long as one citizen is without health insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct.  Screw them.  Nobody is &#8220;earning&#8221; an obscene amount of money.  A janitor is &#8220;earning&#8221; his or her living.</p>
<p>The United States was a powerful country when taxes were high, Unions represented workers, and wages were high.  As we have lost those things we have become weaker, an empty shell.</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t believe this, but the US has lost the last three wars it has fought.  It won the Kuwait excursion with the help of 32 other countries, but that was not a war.  (By the way, read a history of that.  Schwartzkopf came up with the worst battle plan in history, was over-ruled by Powell and Bush, and the DoD came up with one and forced Schwarzkopf to use it.  For which he took credit.)</p>
<p>Anyway, no one deserves an obscene standard of living as long as one citizen is without health insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11314</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True enough. 

I don&#039;t understand your insatiable need for a pissin&#039; contest.

I am dear and sweet.

P.S. My mother did wear Army boots...she was in the Army Nurse Corps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True enough. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your insatiable need for a pissin&#8217; contest.</p>
<p>I am dear and sweet.</p>
<p>P.S. My mother did wear Army boots&#8230;she was in the Army Nurse Corps.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11310</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Public schools average about $12,700 per student.&lt;/p&gt;  Non-sectarian private schools are more expensive, running about $16,000 per student.  That&#039;s about 20 percent of private school students.

Catholic and religious schools are cheaper, running from $7,000 to $9,000.

I don&#039;t have curves for overall tuition growth for private schools that go back as far as the public school numbers.

Private schools generally do better on achievment.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables_2.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public schools average about $12,700 per student.</p>
<p>  Non-sectarian private schools are more expensive, running about $16,000 per student.  That&#8217;s about 20 percent of private school students.</p>
<p>Catholic and religious schools are cheaper, running from $7,000 to $9,000.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have curves for overall tuition growth for private schools that go back as far as the public school numbers.</p>
<p>Private schools generally do better on achievment.</p>
<p><a href="http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables_2.asp" rel="nofollow">Source</a></p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11309</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That second chart should have raised your eyebrows.&lt;/p&gt;

Blue Cross of Massachussetts has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bluecrossma.com/careeropportunities/sub_pages/Our_Company/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3,800&lt;/a&gt; total employees.  Even assuming &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; of those employees were administrators, if Canada has fewer of them that would be about one administrator for every 8,000 Canadians.

Be interesting to see where their numbers came from.  I suspect -- no evidence -- they simply discarded the regional administrators - where health care is disbursed in Canada - and counted only Federal ones, which deal directly only with extremely limited populations.

If you find the sourcing and numbers, put them up.

The very low Medicare administration numbers are primarily due to the fact that Medicare farms out a lot of functions that private companies include in &quot;overhead.&quot;

Paper &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/CAHI_Medicare_Admin_Final_Publication.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;  Go to page 3 for specifics.

In general, the word &quot;overhead&quot; is pretty damn fuzzy and I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing a breakdown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That second chart should have raised your eyebrows.</p>
<p>Blue Cross of Massachussetts has <a href="http://www.bluecrossma.com/careeropportunities/sub_pages/Our_Company/index.html" rel="nofollow">3,800</a> total employees.  Even assuming <em>all</em> of those employees were administrators, if Canada has fewer of them that would be about one administrator for every 8,000 Canadians.</p>
<p>Be interesting to see where their numbers came from.  I suspect &#8212; no evidence &#8212; they simply discarded the regional administrators &#8211; where health care is disbursed in Canada &#8211; and counted only Federal ones, which deal directly only with extremely limited populations.</p>
<p>If you find the sourcing and numbers, put them up.</p>
<p>The very low Medicare administration numbers are primarily due to the fact that Medicare farms out a lot of functions that private companies include in &#8220;overhead.&#8221;</p>
<p>Paper <a href="http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/CAHI_Medicare_Admin_Final_Publication.pdf" rel="nofollow">here.</a>  Go to page 3 for specifics.</p>
<p>In general, the word &#8220;overhead&#8221; is pretty damn fuzzy and I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing a breakdown.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11307</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, of course, my mother wears Army boots.

Actually, neither one is true.  My mother does not wear Army boots, and being one precludes understanding one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, of course, my mother wears Army boots.</p>
<p>Actually, neither one is true.  My mother does not wear Army boots, and being one precludes understanding one.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/01/22/for-buck/#comment-11306</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More...

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/blog_medicare_vs_private_cost_growth.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;cost growth&quot; /&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.health-insurance-2008.org/images/canada-vs-us.gif&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/DrSteveB/PrivateInsurershighoverhead-1.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://healthcarereform.procon.org/files/1-health-care-reform-images/global_health_insurance_overhead.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More&#8230;</p>
<p><img src="http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/blog_medicare_vs_private_cost_growth.jpg" alt="cost growth" /></p>
<p><img src="http://www.health-insurance-2008.org/images/canada-vs-us.gif" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/DrSteveB/PrivateInsurershighoverhead-1.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><img src="http://healthcarereform.procon.org/files/1-health-care-reform-images/global_health_insurance_overhead.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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