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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m with alcaray.  I detect a sea change but don&#8217;t know what it is.  EDITED</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/02/24/im-with-alcaray-i-detect-a-sea-change-but-dont-know-what-it-is/#comment-12046</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perhaps it&#039;s a matter of prejudice.&lt;/p&gt;

I read the first version of your post, and some of the comments as you decided to edit it. The edited version is easier on the sensibilities, an improvement in that sense, but maybe a bit of an overreaction.

It&#039;d be totally unreasonable to expect anyone to stop being judgmental of their political opponents. The notion almost doesn&#039;t parse, since conflict is the basis of politics, and in an ideal world politics is the art of conflict &lt;i&gt;resolution.&lt;/i&gt;

But &lt;i&gt;pre-&lt;/i&gt;judgmental, prejudiced, now that I can object to. It&#039;s the sticking of the ears in the fingers while repetitively babbling &quot;partisan...partisan...&quot;. It&#039;s the death of conversation and the start of zombie ping pong.

What does it mean if I object to something? alcaray seemed somewhat plaintive asking how he&#039;s supposed to modifiy his behavior &lt;i&gt;this time.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t see any need to codify some new rule because of this discussion (even if I could think of a rule, I can read the wind just fine, thank you). The fact that we&#039;ve had the discussion is &quot;consciousness-raising&quot; enough, if you&#039;ll forgive the cliche. In a rather Skinnerian way.

You can be damn sure that the next time I catch myself getting snippy with Tom simply because he&#039;s a right-winger, I&#039;ll remember these two threads, and trust me, it&#039;ll be shock the monkey time.

But your mileage may vary.</description>
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<p>I read the first version of your post, and some of the comments as you decided to edit it. The edited version is easier on the sensibilities, an improvement in that sense, but maybe a bit of an overreaction.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be totally unreasonable to expect anyone to stop being judgmental of their political opponents. The notion almost doesn&#8217;t parse, since conflict is the basis of politics, and in an ideal world politics is the art of conflict <i>resolution.</i></p>
<p>But <i>pre-</i>judgmental, prejudiced, now that I can object to. It&#8217;s the sticking of the ears in the fingers while repetitively babbling &#8220;partisan&#8230;partisan&#8230;&#8221;. It&#8217;s the death of conversation and the start of zombie ping pong.</p>
<p>What does it mean if I object to something? alcaray seemed somewhat plaintive asking how he&#8217;s supposed to modifiy his behavior <i>this time.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any need to codify some new rule because of this discussion (even if I could think of a rule, I can read the wind just fine, thank you). The fact that we&#8217;ve had the discussion is &#8220;consciousness-raising&#8221; enough, if you&#8217;ll forgive the cliche. In a rather Skinnerian way.</p>
<p>You can be damn sure that the next time I catch myself getting snippy with Tom simply because he&#8217;s a right-winger, I&#8217;ll remember these two threads, and trust me, it&#8217;ll be shock the monkey time.</p>
<p>But your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/02/24/im-with-alcaray-i-detect-a-sea-change-but-dont-know-what-it-is/#comment-12045</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Stepping into the Community Bar and Grill*



I believe Tom means this should have been posted on Flame.


Flame is for  &quot;pissed off... pissed on...  pissed in the wind... or go piss up a knotted rope&quot; comments...Community is where we kiss and make up.


&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.cheersboston.com/photos%20page/photos_fhm_customers1.JPG&quot; alt=&quot;CHEERS!&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Stepping into the Community Bar and Grill*</p>
<p>I believe Tom means this should have been posted on Flame.</p>
<p>Flame is for  &#8220;pissed off&#8230; pissed on&#8230;  pissed in the wind&#8230; or go piss up a knotted rope&#8221; comments&#8230;Community is where we kiss and make up.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.cheersboston.com/photos%20page/photos_fhm_customers1.JPG" alt="CHEERS!" /></p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - Maybe we should let someone else answer this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; Maybe we should let someone else answer this.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/02/24/im-with-alcaray-i-detect-a-sea-change-but-dont-know-what-it-is/#comment-12042</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was your original post an obtuse way of suggesting the answer to my question would be to re-read the entire thread?  

I know two of us who have been following this have the same question.  If you have a succinct, well stated answer to it, one to which we could refer next week and next year, I&#039;d love to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was your original post an obtuse way of suggesting the answer to my question would be to re-read the entire thread?  </p>
<p>I know two of us who have been following this have the same question.  If you have a succinct, well stated answer to it, one to which we could refer next week and next year, I&#8217;d love to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  I know.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I re-read it and am not sure I&#039;d write it that way again.  I think you&#039;re right.  And it&#039;s fair from my point of view.

It would be hard for me to be non-judgmental regarding some conservative beliefs, which I point out.  IF the changes necessitate that I guess here&#039;s the place to find out.

But I guess the only possible saving grace is that in this post I&#039;m not advocating any of those positions, I&#039;m saying I would have a hard time getting out of them.  But a do-over would be entirely different.  My apologies to the HZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-read it and am not sure I&#8217;d write it that way again.  I think you&#8217;re right.  And it&#8217;s fair from my point of view.</p>
<p>It would be hard for me to be non-judgmental regarding some conservative beliefs, which I point out.  IF the changes necessitate that I guess here&#8217;s the place to find out.</p>
<p>But I guess the only possible saving grace is that in this post I&#8217;m not advocating any of those positions, I&#8217;m saying I would have a hard time getting out of them.  But a do-over would be entirely different.  My apologies to the HZ.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/02/24/im-with-alcaray-i-detect-a-sea-change-but-dont-know-what-it-is/#comment-12039</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there&#039;s a link there I&#039;m missing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there&#8217;s a link there I&#8217;m missing it.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/02/24/im-with-alcaray-i-detect-a-sea-change-but-dont-know-what-it-is/#comment-12038</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure you wanted to put this here? n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure you wanted to put this here? n/t</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/02/24/im-with-alcaray-i-detect-a-sea-change-but-dont-know-what-it-is/#comment-12037</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exhibit A.&lt;/p&gt;

This post on &quot;Community.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exhibit A.</p>
<p>This post on &#8220;Community.&#8221;</p>
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