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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/03/14/infrared-atlas-of-the-sky/#comment-12521</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to have a pretty good intuitive grasp of astronomical technique, particularly since you haven&#039;t been trained in it.  Astronomy is driven very much by our ability to observe phenomena, not so much the phenomenon itself.

The infrared detectors on this satellite operate on IR wavelengths emitted by very cold materials, such as gases in deep space, or asteroids in our own solar system. Any anomalous source much brighter than its immediate surroudings would definitely be worth investigating. IR also penetrates the interstellar medium very easily, but not our atmosphere, which is why we rely on satellites for it. The &quot;negative spike&quot; you mention sounds a lot like an &quot;absorption line&quot; spectral feature. They are caused by other processes, but the observing technique might be very similar.

I&#039;m not the first guy to suggest using IR data for SETI. THe only assumption is that ET may have industrial processes that produce enormous IR signatures that would not occur in nature--not an entirely unreasonable one.  The Dyson sphere is the best candidate so far, it would be a huge infrared point source that emitted nothing at visual wavelengths.  The old IRAS imagery is online, and people are scanning it for &quot;unnatural&quot; signatures too.  So far, no luck.

I&#039;m starting to wonder if maybe Fermi was right. Life may be very plentiful.  Maybe even intelligent life.  But technological life may not.  But it&#039;s at the top of my bucket list, even if there&#039;s nothing I can do to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to have a pretty good intuitive grasp of astronomical technique, particularly since you haven&#8217;t been trained in it.  Astronomy is driven very much by our ability to observe phenomena, not so much the phenomenon itself.</p>
<p>The infrared detectors on this satellite operate on IR wavelengths emitted by very cold materials, such as gases in deep space, or asteroids in our own solar system. Any anomalous source much brighter than its immediate surroudings would definitely be worth investigating. IR also penetrates the interstellar medium very easily, but not our atmosphere, which is why we rely on satellites for it. The &#8220;negative spike&#8221; you mention sounds a lot like an &#8220;absorption line&#8221; spectral feature. They are caused by other processes, but the observing technique might be very similar.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the first guy to suggest using IR data for SETI. THe only assumption is that ET may have industrial processes that produce enormous IR signatures that would not occur in nature&#8211;not an entirely unreasonable one.  The Dyson sphere is the best candidate so far, it would be a huge infrared point source that emitted nothing at visual wavelengths.  The old IRAS imagery is online, and people are scanning it for &#8220;unnatural&#8221; signatures too.  So far, no luck.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to wonder if maybe Fermi was right. Life may be very plentiful.  Maybe even intelligent life.  But technological life may not.  But it&#8217;s at the top of my bucket list, even if there&#8217;s nothing I can do to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/03/14/infrared-atlas-of-the-sky/#comment-12509</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m at the limits of my knowledge of astronomical technique.&lt;/p&gt;

It may be possible to identify an infrared source orbiting a star by tracking the total infrared output as the source passes in front of and behind the star.  It&#039;s the same basic theory as detecting a planet by the change in the brightness of a star caused by a planet in transit.

But the visible light transit is a very abrupt drop which may be easy to isolate.  An infrared source would &lt;em&gt;add&lt;/em&gt; to the total output of the star through most of its orbit except when it was actually behind the star.  A very long curve with a short &quot;negative spike&quot; in it.  Might be a lot harder to detect.  I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m at the limits of my knowledge of astronomical technique.</p>
<p>It may be possible to identify an infrared source orbiting a star by tracking the total infrared output as the source passes in front of and behind the star.  It&#8217;s the same basic theory as detecting a planet by the change in the brightness of a star caused by a planet in transit.</p>
<p>But the visible light transit is a very abrupt drop which may be easy to isolate.  An infrared source would <em>add</em> to the total output of the star through most of its orbit except when it was actually behind the star.  A very long curve with a short &#8220;negative spike&#8221; in it.  Might be a lot harder to detect.  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/03/14/infrared-atlas-of-the-sky/#comment-12505</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artifacts would be much cooler than even the coolest stars, but much warmer than most gases, rocks, etc. By simultaneously giving you IR fluxes at four separate wavelengths, you could fit the points to a black-body curve and get the temperature.  

I do grant you a nearby star would tend to drown out any signal you might be interested in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artifacts would be much cooler than even the coolest stars, but much warmer than most gases, rocks, etc. By simultaneously giving you IR fluxes at four separate wavelengths, you could fit the points to a black-body curve and get the temperature.  </p>
<p>I do grant you a nearby star would tend to drown out any signal you might be interested in.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/03/14/infrared-atlas-of-the-sky/#comment-12503</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The snag is that even a pretty impressive IR source will get washed out by the star it&#039;s orbiting.&lt;/p&gt;

I don&#039;t know how you&#039;d tell a Dyson sphere from a near-dead star over interstellar distances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The snag is that even a pretty impressive IR source will get washed out by the star it&#8217;s orbiting.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how you&#8217;d tell a Dyson sphere from a near-dead star over interstellar distances.</p>
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