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On engineering, government, and complex fixes April 11, 2012 12:10 pm TB

ER posted this at the thread on Space/Science on engineering failures:

The natural engineering response to a problem is to build in a fix. But the more fixes you add, as you point out, the more complex things get, and the complex things get, the more likely things will go wrong, if not by an outright failure, then by confusion of the operator.

In any system, the optimum level of complexity is the one that is least likely to fail, not the one that can handle the most problems.

During the Vietnam war, fighter- bomber pilots were provided with so many defensive systems, alarms, warnings, indicators, sensors, “options” and other gadgets that studies showed the most successful pilots simply turned them all off and flew “by the seat of their pants”.

It’s not that these systems didn’t work, they were actually quite effective. It was just that it complicated the pilot’s decision-making process, confused him, and in times of stress he often misinterpreted signals or made mistakes. To a certain extent this can be overcome by training, but there is a law of diminishing returns.

Everyone knows about KISS, or to use the sailor’s version: “If you haven’t got one aboard, it can’t break when you most need it.”

There is little to argue with here.

Now think about government regulations, each of them a “fix” for a real or perceived problem, most of them added on top of countless regulations that were there before.

Nobody ever said that “fixes” are never needed. The problem is the attitude that 500 kludged fixes are better than 5, and if you want to make it even better, add 5 more.

At some point in engineering you often have to go back to square one and take a different route, particularly when the current solutions are many years old.

And as always, the fundamental touchstone: “Does the solution work?”

  • It would be nice to fix everything at once, but humans don't have that kind of foresight. One thing ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-04-11 22:15:50
    • Start here: by TB 2012-04-12 08:20:15
    • You and ER agreeing on something? *Checks outside for burning rain* by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-11 19:39:33
      • Actually, he's trying to set me up by using my own words against me. Just follow this thread a little ... by ER 2012-04-11 20:07:20
        • Subtlety can sometimes be a liability here. by TB 2012-04-11 20:13:04
          • You'd think by now you'd realize you're not being very successful at communicating your ideas. That could be the result of ... by ER 2012-04-11 20:19:35
            • Hey now... Calm down before you guys say something you regret later. After all, it doesn't matter who's wrong or ... by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-11 21:27:50
              • Like this? by podrock 2012-04-12 05:42:48
                • The easiest way I found is to go to the YouTube page for a video. by TB 2012-04-12 07:53:19
                  • One caveat: by TB 2012-04-12 08:23:58
              • There are other possible options. by TB 2012-04-11 20:45:20
                • Sure. All your critics could be dead wrong and just stubbornly refuse to listen to your logic. by ER 2012-04-11 21:21:22
                  • Heh. Bingo. by TB 2012-04-11 21:42:51
                    • Squeeeeeek... by TB 2012-04-11 21:43:44
        • Simple answer: Treat law like software. by Robert 2012-04-11 14:26:31
          • Everything you say is undoubtedly true. But the problem of the engineer is very different from that of the ... by ER 2012-04-11 13:41:23
            • Predictable? by TB 2012-04-11 14:55:16
              • One example of the problem here. by TB 2012-04-11 14:59:17
                • It all matters where you draw the line. We draw it in different places. But that line must ... by ER 2012-04-11 15:47:12
                  • When you finally understand there is self-interest on both sides of this issue, the discussion can proceed. by TB 2012-04-11 15:58:24
                    • I have no doubt there is self-interest involved on both sides. I just think one side has more motivation, ... by ER 2012-04-11 17:52:41
                      • "I just think one side has more motivation, resources, organization, experience and history with bending public opinion to their purposes. ... by TB 2012-04-11 18:03:08
                        • Be careful, TB. You've recognized that similarities in partisan rhetoric suggest that political speech may be more a function ... by ER 2012-04-11 19:36:30
                          • What I hoped you'd notice is that, historically, governments match that description far more than businesses do. by TB 2012-04-11 20:06:24
                            • Yeah, right. Socialized Medicine is the first step to the Gulag. by ER 2012-04-11 20:15:43
                              • We weren't discussing socialized medicine. by TB 2012-04-11 20:43:47
                                • Sure Tom. And any form of social welfare, will automatically steer us in this direction. If your ludicrous comparison was ... by ER 2012-04-11 21:34:13
                                  • We weren't discussing socialized medicine. by TB 2012-04-11 21:40:28

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