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	<title>Comments on: The largest union at Lockheed Martin at Fort Worth&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/04/22/the-largest-union-at-lockheed-martin-at-fort-worth/#comment-14144</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t feel that is true Bowser. 
There is something sadly desperate about all this. Sorta &quot;Custer&#039;s Last Stand&quot; kind of feeling.
I think unions have ultimately outlived their usefulness. They seem antiquated. There has to be a better way...and I&#039;ll be damned if I know what it is.

I wish I was a visionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t feel that is true Bowser.<br />
There is something sadly desperate about all this. Sorta &#8220;Custer&#8217;s Last Stand&#8221; kind of feeling.<br />
I think unions have ultimately outlived their usefulness. They seem antiquated. There has to be a better way&#8230;and I&#8217;ll be damned if I know what it is.</p>
<p>I wish I was a visionary.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/04/22/the-largest-union-at-lockheed-martin-at-fort-worth/#comment-14142</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is simply revolting to see people who live enjoying the advantages of Union employment and benefits disparaging Unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is simply revolting to see people who live enjoying the advantages of Union employment and benefits disparaging Unions.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/04/22/the-largest-union-at-lockheed-martin-at-fort-worth/#comment-14139</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I said &quot;private employees.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

The union percentage for public employees is 37 percent (for all employees, it&#039;s about 12 percent).

The type of defined benefits that the Lockheed union is fighting for--just for new hires, mind you--is what&#039;s killing states and cities across the country.  But that&#039;s a separate issue.

Middle class prosperity has done just fine on its own in many, many industries in which unions never figured.  Of the 16.3 million workers in union shops, 14.8 are union members, while only 1.5 million are workers who are not members but still work for a company covered by a union contract.

That 1.5 million, of which half are government, is your &quot;penumbra&quot; of prosperity.  The &quot;hangers-on&quot; of union membership.

As for political contributions, note that unions have had free rein in contributions for the decades prior to the recent Supreme Court decision.  What were they &quot;balancing&quot; then?

A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;list&lt;/a&gt; of where the campaign loot comes from, and which parties it goes to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said &#8220;private employees.&#8221;</p>
<p>The union percentage for public employees is 37 percent (for all employees, it&#8217;s about 12 percent).</p>
<p>The type of defined benefits that the Lockheed union is fighting for&#8211;just for new hires, mind you&#8211;is what&#8217;s killing states and cities across the country.  But that&#8217;s a separate issue.</p>
<p>Middle class prosperity has done just fine on its own in many, many industries in which unions never figured.  Of the 16.3 million workers in union shops, 14.8 are union members, while only 1.5 million are workers who are not members but still work for a company covered by a union contract.</p>
<p>That 1.5 million, of which half are government, is your &#8220;penumbra&#8221; of prosperity.  The &#8220;hangers-on&#8221; of union membership.</p>
<p>As for political contributions, note that unions have had free rein in contributions for the decades prior to the recent Supreme Court decision.  What were they &#8220;balancing&#8221; then?</p>
<p>A <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A" rel="nofollow">list</a> of where the campaign loot comes from, and which parties it goes to.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but once they lose their unions, they can mostly kiss the middle class goodbye.  Ain&#039;t that the plan? 

7%?  I had no idea it had gotten that bad. And you guys are still blaming the unions for all your problems.  You can&#039;t have it both ways, you know? And now that the industrial unions are insignificant, the government unions are under attack.

Middle class prosperity is highly correlated with union membership, even for those workers who are not in a union. And unions are one of the few sources of non-corporate campaign funding for candidates in this increasingly money-dominated political system of ours, where corporations are people but workers are just lazy, lowlife scum who want a free ride and aren&#039;t willing to work a lick for it.  

When all the unions are gone, we&#039;ll all live in a &quot;right-to-work&quot; country. Everyone will have a right to work, but nobody will have a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but once they lose their unions, they can mostly kiss the middle class goodbye.  Ain&#8217;t that the plan? </p>
<p>7%?  I had no idea it had gotten that bad. And you guys are still blaming the unions for all your problems.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways, you know? And now that the industrial unions are insignificant, the government unions are under attack.</p>
<p>Middle class prosperity is highly correlated with union membership, even for those workers who are not in a union. And unions are one of the few sources of non-corporate campaign funding for candidates in this increasingly money-dominated political system of ours, where corporations are people but workers are just lazy, lowlife scum who want a free ride and aren&#8217;t willing to work a lick for it.  </p>
<p>When all the unions are gone, we&#8217;ll all live in a &#8220;right-to-work&#8221; country. Everyone will have a right to work, but nobody will have a job.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Something like seven percent of private employees are unionized.&lt;/p&gt;

Is the theory that none of the others are middle class?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something like seven percent of private employees are unionized.</p>
<p>Is the theory that none of the others are middle class?</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you wonder where the middle class has gone.  57 years of unrelenting propaganda has trained you well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you wonder where the middle class has gone.  57 years of unrelenting propaganda has trained you well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew you would feel this way Bowser.

I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew you would feel this way Bowser.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think she has actually thought any of this through. Tomorrow her company will help her...and I am curious as to what the ramifications will be. BAE is from Britain.  I suspect she doesn&#039;t even see as this has anything to do with her....yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think she has actually thought any of this through. Tomorrow her company will help her&#8230;and I am curious as to what the ramifications will be. BAE is from Britain.  I suspect she doesn&#8217;t even see as this has anything to do with her&#8230;.yet.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Details &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/04/19/3898313/leaders-of-union-seek-rejection.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Details <a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/04/19/3898313/leaders-of-union-seek-rejection.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She shouldn&#039;t even be considering it.

And, not to worry.  Lockheed will have set up a second gate so she won&#039;t have to cross a picket line.

And, I don&#039;t have kind words or thoughts for someone who would cross a line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She shouldn&#8217;t even be considering it.</p>
<p>And, not to worry.  Lockheed will have set up a second gate so she won&#8217;t have to cross a picket line.</p>
<p>And, I don&#8217;t have kind words or thoughts for someone who would cross a line.</p>
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