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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/04/what-if-2/#comment-14691</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 02:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the way Carl Sagan said primordial soup.

He would say primordial (pause) soup (very fast) it almost came out zup.

As for the rest of it, I think I was home sick that day. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the way Carl Sagan said primordial soup.</p>
<p>He would say primordial (pause) soup (very fast) it almost came out zup.</p>
<p>As for the rest of it, I think I was home sick that day. <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/04/what-if-2/#comment-14689</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and many other planets were seeded later and evolved life based on that one type of DNA.  But that doesn&#039;t mean that intelligent creatures that evolved on any of those planets would necessarily be humanoid in appearance.  The naked ape design was an accident peculiar to us.  On another world it might be insectoid, or octopus-like, or something very different in appearance from us, or from any earth creature.

We know all life on earth evolved from one microorganism, because we all share the exact same DNA.  But there are many billions of different types of organisms on earth now, from turnips to tuna.  On our planet, tool making intelligence evolved in mammals, on another it might have evolved in something totally different. (I was going to say birds, or dinosaurs, until I realized another planet might have our DNA and not have evolved birds or reptiles of any sort.)

Or maybe, on our sister planet, intelligence didn&#039;t evolve at all.  

As far as we know, tool-making intelligence is not necessarily a survival trait. It&#039;s only evolved in the last million years of a 3500 million year history of life. It hasn&#039;t been around as long as say, the eyeball, or the feather, or hemoglobin, it hasn&#039;t proven itself yet.

We can arrange every living thing on earth into an evolutionary family tree that clearly didn&#039;t have anything &quot;grafted&quot; on to it from outside. At every critter branch or tip, we can find ancestors to it in the fossil record.  Every creature and plant on earth evolved from the same creature, at the root of the tree.  It is possible different types of life evolved here in the past, or were introduced from outside, but none have survived to the present day.  Any competing biochemistries, foreign or domestic, lost the evolutionary contest long ago.

Nope, this is our world. We either evolved from dead matter here, or we were seeded from somewhere else.  But now it is ours, and totally ours. We earned it, and we haven&#039;t shared it with anyone else.  And if we have genetic cousins living elsewhere, we&#039;ll have to check their chemistry in the lab to determine that, because they will have evolved totally differently than us and they won&#039;t look like us at all, even if they are chemically similar (have the same proteins, etc).

However, at least some of them will probably be edible. And vice-versa. And if they came here, or we went there, survival might just be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and many other planets were seeded later and evolved life based on that one type of DNA.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean that intelligent creatures that evolved on any of those planets would necessarily be humanoid in appearance.  The naked ape design was an accident peculiar to us.  On another world it might be insectoid, or octopus-like, or something very different in appearance from us, or from any earth creature.</p>
<p>We know all life on earth evolved from one microorganism, because we all share the exact same DNA.  But there are many billions of different types of organisms on earth now, from turnips to tuna.  On our planet, tool making intelligence evolved in mammals, on another it might have evolved in something totally different. (I was going to say birds, or dinosaurs, until I realized another planet might have our DNA and not have evolved birds or reptiles of any sort.)</p>
<p>Or maybe, on our sister planet, intelligence didn&#8217;t evolve at all.  </p>
<p>As far as we know, tool-making intelligence is not necessarily a survival trait. It&#8217;s only evolved in the last million years of a 3500 million year history of life. It hasn&#8217;t been around as long as say, the eyeball, or the feather, or hemoglobin, it hasn&#8217;t proven itself yet.</p>
<p>We can arrange every living thing on earth into an evolutionary family tree that clearly didn&#8217;t have anything &#8220;grafted&#8221; on to it from outside. At every critter branch or tip, we can find ancestors to it in the fossil record.  Every creature and plant on earth evolved from the same creature, at the root of the tree.  It is possible different types of life evolved here in the past, or were introduced from outside, but none have survived to the present day.  Any competing biochemistries, foreign or domestic, lost the evolutionary contest long ago.</p>
<p>Nope, this is our world. We either evolved from dead matter here, or we were seeded from somewhere else.  But now it is ours, and totally ours. We earned it, and we haven&#8217;t shared it with anyone else.  And if we have genetic cousins living elsewhere, we&#8217;ll have to check their chemistry in the lab to determine that, because they will have evolved totally differently than us and they won&#8217;t look like us at all, even if they are chemically similar (have the same proteins, etc).</p>
<p>However, at least some of them will probably be edible. And vice-versa. And if they came here, or we went there, survival might just be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/04/what-if-2/#comment-14687</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was that theory where all civilizations had common periods of history such as Romans, Nazis, etc.

Incredibly goofy but made for interesting episodes if you could stomach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was that theory where all civilizations had common periods of history such as Romans, Nazis, etc.</p>
<p>Incredibly goofy but made for interesting episodes if you could stomach it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/04/what-if-2/#comment-14686</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarification: What if...DNA was thrown into a primordial soup on various *planets*  Not necessarily humanoid. 

 DNA...created by an algorithm on a computer software program.....maybe we are AI. After all, both Edward Leedskalnin and Nikola Tesla theorized (and proved, some may argue) that all matter is actually tiny individual magnets. Both observed that on the quantum level, magnetic fields have a unipole, double helix shape... double helix... hmmm, what else is shaped like a double helix??

During John Von Neuman and Alan Turing&#039;s work to make Colossus during WWII, one of their scientists was able to create a completely autonomous &#039;organism&#039; in a probability matrix (binary cyberspace). It learned, evolved, made decisions, etc.

Mathematically, it&#039;s all possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification: What if&#8230;DNA was thrown into a primordial soup on various *planets*  Not necessarily humanoid. </p>
<p> DNA&#8230;created by an algorithm on a computer software program&#8230;..maybe we are AI. After all, both Edward Leedskalnin and Nikola Tesla theorized (and proved, some may argue) that all matter is actually tiny individual magnets. Both observed that on the quantum level, magnetic fields have a unipole, double helix shape&#8230; double helix&#8230; hmmm, what else is shaped like a double helix??</p>
<p>During John Von Neuman and Alan Turing&#8217;s work to make Colossus during WWII, one of their scientists was able to create a completely autonomous &#8216;organism&#8217; in a probability matrix (binary cyberspace). It learned, evolved, made decisions, etc.</p>
<p>Mathematically, it&#8217;s all possible.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/04/what-if-2/#comment-14683</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 22:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Star Trek creators touched on this back in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Preservers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original series,&lt;/a&gt; too.&lt;/p&gt;

At least they get credit for trying in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Star Trek creators touched on this back in the <a href="http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Preservers" rel="nofollow">original series,</a> too.</p>
<p>At least they get credit for trying in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/04/what-if-2/#comment-14681</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 22:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with the cheap humanoid makeup theory. But I salute Star Trek for at least making an effort to address the vaguely humanoid appearance of most alien races.  As I recall, in the original series, one character actually makes a comment about &quot;why so many races appear to be humanoid&quot;, because they might have a common genetic origin. I think it was the one about the Apollo dude.

Personally, I think we can have no idea what they&#039;ll look like if and when we do find them. I remember reading somewhere some wag speculating &quot;like a cross between a tarantula and a jellyfish&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with the cheap humanoid makeup theory. But I salute Star Trek for at least making an effort to address the vaguely humanoid appearance of most alien races.  As I recall, in the original series, one character actually makes a comment about &#8220;why so many races appear to be humanoid&#8221;, because they might have a common genetic origin. I think it was the one about the Apollo dude.</p>
<p>Personally, I think we can have no idea what they&#8217;ll look like if and when we do find them. I remember reading somewhere some wag speculating &#8220;like a cross between a tarantula and a jellyfish&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/04/what-if-2/#comment-14678</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 17:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or maybe the makeup&#039;s just cheaper for humanoids.&lt;/p&gt;

The early episodes of &quot;Star Trek TNG&quot; extensively used what I called the &quot;Silly Putty&quot; alien creation technique.  Slap some Silly Putty on the forehead, you&#039;re one kind of alien.  Slap it somewhere else on the forehead, you&#039;re another.  Put on on the neck, the cheeks, whereever.

This improved a lot when they got some computer graphics capacity under their belts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe the makeup&#8217;s just cheaper for humanoids.</p>
<p>The early episodes of &#8220;Star Trek TNG&#8221; extensively used what I called the &#8220;Silly Putty&#8221; alien creation technique.  Slap some Silly Putty on the forehead, you&#8217;re one kind of alien.  Slap it somewhere else on the forehead, you&#8217;re another.  Put on on the neck, the cheeks, whereever.</p>
<p>This improved a lot when they got some computer graphics capacity under their belts.</p>
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