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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15532</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I need to know where you&#039;re coming from on this.&lt;/p&gt;

How much money do you think the Bush tax cuts &quot;cost&quot; the country every year?  Or over ten years?  Subdivided into the cuts for the rich and middle class, of course.

I have numbers for this.  What are yours?

(For the sake of this argument, I&#039;m granting the liberal premise that all money taken out of the private sector and delivered to politicians goes to the Greater Glory of the Economy.  I did put &quot;cost&quot; in quotes, though.)

P.S. there&#039;s still twice as many economic conservatives as liberals in this country.  Remember the original point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to know where you&#8217;re coming from on this.</p>
<p>How much money do you think the Bush tax cuts &#8220;cost&#8221; the country every year?  Or over ten years?  Subdivided into the cuts for the rich and middle class, of course.</p>
<p>I have numbers for this.  What are yours?</p>
<p>(For the sake of this argument, I&#8217;m granting the liberal premise that all money taken out of the private sector and delivered to politicians goes to the Greater Glory of the Economy.  I did put &#8220;cost&#8221; in quotes, though.)</p>
<p>P.S. there&#8217;s still twice as many economic conservatives as liberals in this country.  Remember the original point?</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15530</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your usual barrage of crazymaking crap doesn&#039;t change a thing.  Taxes have been raised in every major war  EXCEPT when GWB and his lockstep Brown Shirts CUT them during the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Now, you can give us that old soft shoe, or you can put cleats on them, put on the old dark glasses, hum &quot;Onward, Christian Soldiers&quot; real fast, and wiggle those heels and toes while waving the flag, and that doesn&#039;t change things.

You haven&#039;t answered the question, who did you expect to pay for those wars for which GWB borrowed money after cutting taxes on the wealthy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your usual barrage of crazymaking crap doesn&#8217;t change a thing.  Taxes have been raised in every major war  EXCEPT when GWB and his lockstep Brown Shirts CUT them during the Iraq and Afghan wars.</p>
<p>Now, you can give us that old soft shoe, or you can put cleats on them, put on the old dark glasses, hum &#8220;Onward, Christian Soldiers&#8221; real fast, and wiggle those heels and toes while waving the flag, and that doesn&#8217;t change things.</p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t answered the question, who did you expect to pay for those wars for which GWB borrowed money after cutting taxes on the wealthy?</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15524</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I give you hard numbers, and you give me Bartlett?&lt;/p&gt;

Bartlett somehow fails to mention that Johnson got the bill passed by including a 10 percent cut in discretionary spending, or that the full title of the legislation was &quot;the Revenue and Expenditure Control Act of 1968.&quot;

Here&#039;s the fiscal history of the time:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1960.jpg&quot; width=&quot;400&quot;&gt;


Not a lot of curve-bending there, is there?

More stupid economic crap went on during that time.  Both parties.  &quot;Guns and Butter&quot; Johnson not only dragged us further into the war, he loaded us with a new set of entitlements that currently has something like $40 trillion in unfunded liabilities.  Nixon actually tried wage and price controls.  There was Ford&#039;s &quot;Whip Inflation Now.&quot; Carter&#039;s &quot;Misery Index&quot; and &quot;Stagflation.&quot;

I&#039;ll tell you what I told Buck:  All the Democrats have to do this year, controlling the White House and Senate until next January, is just sit on their hands and block any attempt at stopping the over $400 billion in automatic tax increases of 2013.  Then they&#039;ll have the tax increases they say are essential with zero Republican input.

Why don&#039;t they do this?  I know.  Do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give you hard numbers, and you give me Bartlett?</p>
<p>Bartlett somehow fails to mention that Johnson got the bill passed by including a 10 percent cut in discretionary spending, or that the full title of the legislation was &#8220;the Revenue and Expenditure Control Act of 1968.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the fiscal history of the time:</p>
<p><img src="http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1960.jpg" width="400"/></p>
<p>Not a lot of curve-bending there, is there?</p>
<p>More stupid economic crap went on during that time.  Both parties.  &#8220;Guns and Butter&#8221; Johnson not only dragged us further into the war, he loaded us with a new set of entitlements that currently has something like $40 trillion in unfunded liabilities.  Nixon actually tried wage and price controls.  There was Ford&#8217;s &#8220;Whip Inflation Now.&#8221; Carter&#8217;s &#8220;Misery Index&#8221; and &#8220;Stagflation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what I told Buck:  All the Democrats have to do this year, controlling the White House and Senate until next January, is just sit on their hands and block any attempt at stopping the over $400 billion in automatic tax increases of 2013.  Then they&#8217;ll have the tax increases they say are essential with zero Republican input.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t they do this?  I know.  Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15521</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 06:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/25/shared-sacrifice-war-taxes-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html 

Are you able to admit you are wrong.  This is a perfect opportunity.

&quot;However, Bush and his party, which controlled Congress from 2001 to 2006, never asked for sacrifices from anyone except those in our nation&#039;s military and their families.&quot;

&quot;Bush&#039;s actions were unprecedented. During every previous major war in American history, presidents demanded sacrifices from rich and poor alike. As Robert Hormats explains in his 2007 book, The Price of Liberty: Paying for America&#039;s Wars, &quot;During most of America&#039;s wars, parochial desires--such as tax breaks for favored groups or generous spending for influential constituencies--have been sacrificed to the greater good. The president and both parties in Congress have come together … to cut nonessential spending and increase taxes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/25/shared-sacrifice-war-taxes-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/25/shared-sacrifice-war-taxes-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html</a> </p>
<p>Are you able to admit you are wrong.  This is a perfect opportunity.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, Bush and his party, which controlled Congress from 2001 to 2006, never asked for sacrifices from anyone except those in our nation&#8217;s military and their families.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s actions were unprecedented. During every previous major war in American history, presidents demanded sacrifices from rich and poor alike. As Robert Hormats explains in his 2007 book, The Price of Liberty: Paying for America&#8217;s Wars, &#8220;During most of America&#8217;s wars, parochial desires&#8211;such as tax breaks for favored groups or generous spending for influential constituencies&#8211;have been sacrificed to the greater good. The president and both parties in Congress have come together … to cut nonessential spending and increase taxes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15518</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 04:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.  The Kennedy tax cut was finally enacted in 1964 by LBJ.  First ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.  The Kennedy tax cut was finally enacted in 1964 by LBJ.  First ever.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15512</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol n/t</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15511</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all depends on who you read. 

This is total bullshit. Numbers don&#039;t lie but our Congress and their lackeys do a stupendous job of massaging the truth.

So much for transparency in government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends on who you read. </p>
<p>This is total bullshit. Numbers don&#8217;t lie but our Congress and their lackeys do a stupendous job of massaging the truth.</p>
<p>So much for transparency in government.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15510</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2010: The dip in the moderates was &quot;mirrored&quot; by the increase in conservative thinking people. 

How the heck can you see it any other way than the moderates were more concerned about Obama&#039;s direction for the country rather than the left&#039;s sacred social agenda. Good on &#039;em. Shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2010: The dip in the moderates was &#8220;mirrored&#8221; by the increase in conservative thinking people. </p>
<p>How the heck can you see it any other way than the moderates were more concerned about Obama&#8217;s direction for the country rather than the left&#8217;s sacred social agenda. Good on &#8216;em. Shame on you.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15507</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cutting taxes and starting wars is not fiscally responsible.  Period.  So get off your high horse and recognize the folly of your argument.

Or don&#039;t.  I know you can&#039;t.  It&#039;s beyond Conservatives to admit they are wrong.  Simply not in &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cutting taxes and starting wars is not fiscally responsible.  Period.  So get off your high horse and recognize the folly of your argument.</p>
<p>Or don&#8217;t.  I know you can&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s beyond Conservatives to admit they are wrong.  Simply not in &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/30/latest-poll-on-conservatism-and-liberalism/#comment-15502</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 20:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pertinent.  You got an answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pertinent.  You got an answer?</p>
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