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		<title>By: johannes</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/31/feedback-wanted/#comment-16167</link>
		<dc:creator>johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 18:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J)  You are correct from the macroscopic viewpoint, but what about the Higgs bosons, are they not “accelerated” in their interactions with their surroundings? 
 
ER)  Your statement “that mass is equal to force over acceleration” is completely wrong, and betrays a total lack of understanding of what force, mass and acceleration are,
J)  I’m simply stating what the formula implies, my understanding is that “force” is that which can cause acceleration, “mass” is that which can be accelerated, and acceleration is the fact that the motion of “that which can be accelerated” is being increased in its speed.

ER)   and what equations are for.
J)  In my opinion; equations are guidelines for determining values. Your explanation seems to agree with that.

ER)  Mass has NOTHING to do with force or acceleration.
J)  Is it not “mass” that moves with increasing speed, if there is acceleration?

ER)  A mass floating motionless in free space is weightless, but it still has a mass because it requires a force to accelerate it.
J)  I agree, IF we are considering an object that is “massive” in terms of atomic size, but if we go down to the sub atomic level, then it is my assumption that even the Higgs bosons, strings, or quantum fluctuations that are supposed to make up mass, still contain intrinsic force and acceleration.
Do you have any evidence contradicting such an assumption.

ER)  What the Newton’s Law really tells you is that you can calculate the force acting on a mass by measuring its acceleration. 
J)  Perhaps it is possible to use such a formula to obtain a better understanding of the “structure” of mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J)  You are correct from the macroscopic viewpoint, but what about the Higgs bosons, are they not “accelerated” in their interactions with their surroundings? </p>
<p>ER)  Your statement “that mass is equal to force over acceleration” is completely wrong, and betrays a total lack of understanding of what force, mass and acceleration are,<br />
J)  I’m simply stating what the formula implies, my understanding is that “force” is that which can cause acceleration, “mass” is that which can be accelerated, and acceleration is the fact that the motion of “that which can be accelerated” is being increased in its speed.</p>
<p>ER)   and what equations are for.<br />
J)  In my opinion; equations are guidelines for determining values. Your explanation seems to agree with that.</p>
<p>ER)  Mass has NOTHING to do with force or acceleration.<br />
J)  Is it not “mass” that moves with increasing speed, if there is acceleration?</p>
<p>ER)  A mass floating motionless in free space is weightless, but it still has a mass because it requires a force to accelerate it.<br />
J)  I agree, IF we are considering an object that is “massive” in terms of atomic size, but if we go down to the sub atomic level, then it is my assumption that even the Higgs bosons, strings, or quantum fluctuations that are supposed to make up mass, still contain intrinsic force and acceleration.<br />
Do you have any evidence contradicting such an assumption.</p>
<p>ER)  What the Newton’s Law really tells you is that you can calculate the force acting on a mass by measuring its acceleration.<br />
J)  Perhaps it is possible to use such a formula to obtain a better understanding of the “structure” of mass.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/31/feedback-wanted/#comment-16084</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is just two ways of expressing Newton&#039;s law.  What it says is the force on an object can be calculated by multiplying its mass times its acceleration, or tautologically, the mass of an object can be calculated by dividing the force on it by the acceleration it is experiencing. However, that object will still have mass if it is not accelerating.

Your statement &quot;that mass is equal to force over acceleration&quot; is completely wrong, and betrays a total lack of understanding of what force, mass and acceleration are, and what equations are for.  Mass has NOTHING to do with force or acceleration.  It is a property of matter, while acceleration is a mathematical relationship between space and time. Force is the relationship between the two, think of it as a form of bookeeping Newton invented in order to do his calculations.

If you need to convince yourself of this, consider a mass floating in space, not moving, not accelerating, with no forces acting on it.  But it still has mass. Force and acceleration have nothing to do with its mass, its mass is what we can measure when we apply a force to it, but it was there all along.  Or to put it another way, a mass in a gravitational field is accelerated, and we call the resulting force its &quot;weight&quot;.  A mass floating motionless in free space is weightless, but it still has a mass because it requires a force to accelerate it.

What the Newton&#039;s Law really tells you is that you can calculate the force acting on a mass by measuring its acceleration. Until you get that straight, the rest of your attempts to extend it to relativistic physics are just gibberish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just two ways of expressing Newton&#8217;s law.  What it says is the force on an object can be calculated by multiplying its mass times its acceleration, or tautologically, the mass of an object can be calculated by dividing the force on it by the acceleration it is experiencing. However, that object will still have mass if it is not accelerating.</p>
<p>Your statement &#8220;that mass is equal to force over acceleration&#8221; is completely wrong, and betrays a total lack of understanding of what force, mass and acceleration are, and what equations are for.  Mass has NOTHING to do with force or acceleration.  It is a property of matter, while acceleration is a mathematical relationship between space and time. Force is the relationship between the two, think of it as a form of bookeeping Newton invented in order to do his calculations.</p>
<p>If you need to convince yourself of this, consider a mass floating in space, not moving, not accelerating, with no forces acting on it.  But it still has mass. Force and acceleration have nothing to do with its mass, its mass is what we can measure when we apply a force to it, but it was there all along.  Or to put it another way, a mass in a gravitational field is accelerated, and we call the resulting force its &#8220;weight&#8221;.  A mass floating motionless in free space is weightless, but it still has a mass because it requires a force to accelerate it.</p>
<p>What the Newton&#8217;s Law really tells you is that you can calculate the force acting on a mass by measuring its acceleration. Until you get that straight, the rest of your attempts to extend it to relativistic physics are just gibberish.</p>
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		<title>By: johannes</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/31/feedback-wanted/#comment-15642</link>
		<dc:creator>johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you bowser.
It gives me something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you bowser.<br />
It gives me something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/31/feedback-wanted/#comment-15597</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least mine.  Wish I knew enough to engage the subject, and I don&#039;t.

Sorry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least mine.  Wish I knew enough to engage the subject, and I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Sorry</p>
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		<title>By: johannes</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/05/31/feedback-wanted/#comment-15546</link>
		<dc:creator>johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein’s formula of E=mc2 can also be expressed as E=(U/K)c

EINSTEIN’S FORMULA
E = mc2

E = energy
m = mass
c = speed of light in a vacuum = 299,792,458 meters per second.

CALCULATION example
Where
mass = 5 kg

c2 = 89,875,517,873,681,764
E=449,377,589,368,408,820 J

Genesis formula

E=(U/K)c

Where:
E = energy (kinetic)
U = K2 * c = Potential (for) energy = force
K = Proto mass (The fundamental ingredient that gives mass its density.)
c = speed of light in a vacuum = 299,792,458 meters per second.

CALCULATION example

The quantity of mass and the quantity of proto-mass is the same. Proto-mass is the structure of mass.

If mass (structure) K = 5 kg
Then K2 = 25 kg
And 25 times c = U = 7,494,811,450
U/K = 7,494,811,450 / 5 kg = 1,498,962,290
(U/K)c = E = 449,377,589,368,408,820 J

When quantity “U/K” is multiplied by c it gives the total amount of energy.
If quantity ‘U/K” is divided by c it gives the amount of mass, (and also proto mass which is the constituent of kinetic force of mass.)
In the above example (U/K) / c = 5 kg
The Genesis formula tells us that the mass that we are familiar with is constructed out of kinetic and potential forces.

The potential force is intrinsic to the emptiness of the volume, and the kinetic force is intrinsic to the square (area) multiplied by the constant.

It is assumed that the smallest quantity of this combined “potential / kinetic force” is the quantum fluctuation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein’s formula of E=mc2 can also be expressed as E=(U/K)c</p>
<p>EINSTEIN’S FORMULA<br />
E = mc2</p>
<p>E = energy<br />
m = mass<br />
c = speed of light in a vacuum = 299,792,458 meters per second.</p>
<p>CALCULATION example<br />
Where<br />
mass = 5 kg</p>
<p>c2 = 89,875,517,873,681,764<br />
E=449,377,589,368,408,820 J</p>
<p>Genesis formula</p>
<p>E=(U/K)c</p>
<p>Where:<br />
E = energy (kinetic)<br />
U = K2 * c = Potential (for) energy = force<br />
K = Proto mass (The fundamental ingredient that gives mass its density.)<br />
c = speed of light in a vacuum = 299,792,458 meters per second.</p>
<p>CALCULATION example</p>
<p>The quantity of mass and the quantity of proto-mass is the same. Proto-mass is the structure of mass.</p>
<p>If mass (structure) K = 5 kg<br />
Then K2 = 25 kg<br />
And 25 times c = U = 7,494,811,450<br />
U/K = 7,494,811,450 / 5 kg = 1,498,962,290<br />
(U/K)c = E = 449,377,589,368,408,820 J</p>
<p>When quantity “U/K” is multiplied by c it gives the total amount of energy.<br />
If quantity ‘U/K” is divided by c it gives the amount of mass, (and also proto mass which is the constituent of kinetic force of mass.)<br />
In the above example (U/K) / c = 5 kg<br />
The Genesis formula tells us that the mass that we are familiar with is constructed out of kinetic and potential forces.</p>
<p>The potential force is intrinsic to the emptiness of the volume, and the kinetic force is intrinsic to the square (area) multiplied by the constant.</p>
<p>It is assumed that the smallest quantity of this combined “potential / kinetic force” is the quantum fluctuation.</p>
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