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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16069</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing against it, and I have no problem with people who have any. 

Money may not be able to solve all your problems, but money can provide security, and it can provide you comfort. It is also a source of pleasure;  and by pleasure, I just don&#039;t mean sybaritic, sensual pleasure, but intellectual or emotional satisfaction.  I would rather own a fine telescope than spend a weekend in Las Vegas.  It&#039;s not that I have anything against Vegas, I just don&#039;t value its charms as much as I do a night under the stars.

Where money becomes pathological and destructive is when it becomes an end in itself: when it becomes a means of keeping score, of flaunting your social status, of establishing your power over others. 

Lavish consumerism has always been with us.  The rich who cannot spend their money wisely never seem to have any trouble spending it conspicuously. What makes our age unique is how much effort (and money) has gone into making conspicuous spending a social virtue. Our entire economy is based on it, and now that it is becoming environmentally and financially unsustainable we have nothing to
substitute in its place. I think I first realized this when I was just a youth, and I have lived my own life with that idea in mind. I do believe it was the single most important and valuable realization I have ever had.

I&#039;m perfectly aware that having money doesn&#039;t necessarily mean you stole it from someone else. But very often those who use it as a means of self-actualization do exactly that. When money becomes an end in itself, or the act of demonstrating to others that you have more of it than they do becomes a psychological necessity; then the need to get it by any means required, whether criminal or predatory, is inevitable.

I do not begrudge the wealthy man, in fact, compared to the average human being on this planet, I AM a wealthy man.  I have everything I need and much of what I want, and I have a nice reserve for emergencies.  It can be truly said &quot;I live like Pharaoh&quot;. We are all entitled to earn what we can, spend what we must, save what we are able, and squander what we want, although not all of us are able to do so.  

The rich man can spend his money.  He&#039;s even entitled to spend his money to get or stay rich.  However, he has no right to spend my money so he can become richer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing against it, and I have no problem with people who have any. </p>
<p>Money may not be able to solve all your problems, but money can provide security, and it can provide you comfort. It is also a source of pleasure;  and by pleasure, I just don&#8217;t mean sybaritic, sensual pleasure, but intellectual or emotional satisfaction.  I would rather own a fine telescope than spend a weekend in Las Vegas.  It&#8217;s not that I have anything against Vegas, I just don&#8217;t value its charms as much as I do a night under the stars.</p>
<p>Where money becomes pathological and destructive is when it becomes an end in itself: when it becomes a means of keeping score, of flaunting your social status, of establishing your power over others. </p>
<p>Lavish consumerism has always been with us.  The rich who cannot spend their money wisely never seem to have any trouble spending it conspicuously. What makes our age unique is how much effort (and money) has gone into making conspicuous spending a social virtue. Our entire economy is based on it, and now that it is becoming environmentally and financially unsustainable we have nothing to<br />
substitute in its place. I think I first realized this when I was just a youth, and I have lived my own life with that idea in mind. I do believe it was the single most important and valuable realization I have ever had.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m perfectly aware that having money doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean you stole it from someone else. But very often those who use it as a means of self-actualization do exactly that. When money becomes an end in itself, or the act of demonstrating to others that you have more of it than they do becomes a psychological necessity; then the need to get it by any means required, whether criminal or predatory, is inevitable.</p>
<p>I do not begrudge the wealthy man, in fact, compared to the average human being on this planet, I AM a wealthy man.  I have everything I need and much of what I want, and I have a nice reserve for emergencies.  It can be truly said &#8220;I live like Pharaoh&#8221;. We are all entitled to earn what we can, spend what we must, save what we are able, and squander what we want, although not all of us are able to do so.  </p>
<p>The rich man can spend his money.  He&#8217;s even entitled to spend his money to get or stay rich.  However, he has no right to spend my money so he can become richer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16068</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...I like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;I like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16064</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never realized there was a fear of being  affluent. The *consume consume consume* of being affluent. But speaking honestly, I can understand. I perceived it as jealousy of the affluent... I do see the gluttony. But I see that with all walks of life. It is relative to the observer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never realized there was a fear of being  affluent. The *consume consume consume* of being affluent. But speaking honestly, I can understand. I perceived it as jealousy of the affluent&#8230; I do see the gluttony. But I see that with all walks of life. It is relative to the observer.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16062</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adults exist only in the minds of little children.</description>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16060</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am jointly raising my granddaughter with her Momma. At times...very precariously defining my stance through action. My daughter does not see the need for those Patty cake moments...jumping rope..and hide and go seek childhood rites of passage. Drives me bat shit. I am just the opposite. That is why my husband and I worked so hard to maintain on a one income household. For my children. Well, big fucking whoop dee doo. The thirty somethings *that I partook in raising* do not view childhood as I do.

Anyway...small rant has expired...yes..they still exist ER...but it is endangered.

The one reason I started my blahg was I wanted my granddaughter to know her grandmother. I was hoping for memories to surface when she read it. We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am jointly raising my granddaughter with her Momma. At times&#8230;very precariously defining my stance through action. My daughter does not see the need for those Patty cake moments&#8230;jumping rope..and hide and go seek childhood rites of passage. Drives me bat shit. I am just the opposite. That is why my husband and I worked so hard to maintain on a one income household. For my children. Well, big fucking whoop dee doo. The thirty somethings *that I partook in raising* do not view childhood as I do.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;small rant has expired&#8230;yes..they still exist ER&#8230;but it is endangered.</p>
<p>The one reason I started my blahg was I wanted my granddaughter to know her grandmother. I was hoping for memories to surface when she read it. We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16059</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One summer during college I got a job as a summer camp counselor (Camp Indian Head, my &quot;tribal&quot; name was Chief Wasted Eagle, but that&#039;s another story). I was counselor for the Navajos, the 8-10 year old boys.

One day I eavesdropped while some of the older girls (pre-teens) were teaching the younger ones some nursery rhymes.  These were accompanied by elaborate sequential hand gesures, like &quot;patty-cake&quot;, but much more complex and elaborate.  They had dozens of verses, and the graceful twirling and slapping of their hands  was keyed to the stories in the rhymes.  Little girl&#039;s voices, in rapt concentration, a singsong being transmitted from generation to generation of children.  Many of the phrases seemed to be very ancient, and probably dated back to medieval England.  

Everyone knows &quot;ring aound the rosy&quot; goes back to the time of the Black Death in the late Middle Ages, but it appears there is an entire repertoire of folk history buried in children&#039;s rhymes and games.  I asked the girls what some of these words meant, but they did not know.  They had just been taught by older girls, and by their sisters.  In an unbroken chain back to the beginning of time, now passed on to a new generation of kids. Those pretty little girls are probably all grandmothers now, I wonder if those delightful little chants still survive.

I wonder if this still goes on.  Have electronic toys and games destroyed this priceless oral history?  I remember from my own youth how we had a sequence of toys, and each toy had its own season.  One day everyone would be flying kites, the next we&#039;d be throwing tops, and a month later playing stoop-ball.  The girls had jacks, we had marbles.  Do kids do this any more?

I don&#039;t think anyone even knows how to wind and throw a top these days.  Its probably too dangerous for our litigious age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One summer during college I got a job as a summer camp counselor (Camp Indian Head, my &#8220;tribal&#8221; name was Chief Wasted Eagle, but that&#8217;s another story). I was counselor for the Navajos, the 8-10 year old boys.</p>
<p>One day I eavesdropped while some of the older girls (pre-teens) were teaching the younger ones some nursery rhymes.  These were accompanied by elaborate sequential hand gesures, like &#8220;patty-cake&#8221;, but much more complex and elaborate.  They had dozens of verses, and the graceful twirling and slapping of their hands  was keyed to the stories in the rhymes.  Little girl&#8217;s voices, in rapt concentration, a singsong being transmitted from generation to generation of children.  Many of the phrases seemed to be very ancient, and probably dated back to medieval England.  </p>
<p>Everyone knows &#8220;ring aound the rosy&#8221; goes back to the time of the Black Death in the late Middle Ages, but it appears there is an entire repertoire of folk history buried in children&#8217;s rhymes and games.  I asked the girls what some of these words meant, but they did not know.  They had just been taught by older girls, and by their sisters.  In an unbroken chain back to the beginning of time, now passed on to a new generation of kids. Those pretty little girls are probably all grandmothers now, I wonder if those delightful little chants still survive.</p>
<p>I wonder if this still goes on.  Have electronic toys and games destroyed this priceless oral history?  I remember from my own youth how we had a sequence of toys, and each toy had its own season.  One day everyone would be flying kites, the next we&#8217;d be throwing tops, and a month later playing stoop-ball.  The girls had jacks, we had marbles.  Do kids do this any more?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone even knows how to wind and throw a top these days.  Its probably too dangerous for our litigious age.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16058</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had just gotten layed off from my posh Silicon Valley job and it really hit right on target; it was terrific.  

I am a huge Barbara Ehrenreich fan. I&#039;ve read several of her books.  Not only is she a compassionate and perceptive researcher and analyst, she is also a clear and elegant prose stylist and a trained scholar who documents her assertions and conclusions very effectively.  I&#039;m sure Tom would love her.

BTW, the Wiki entry on Pleasantville had this entry...



&lt;blockquote&gt;Director Gary Ross stated, &quot;This movie is about the fact that personal repression gives rise to larger political oppression...That when we&#039;re afraid of certain things in ourselves or we&#039;re afraid of change, we project those fears on to other things, and a lot of very ugly social situations can develop&quot;.

Robert Beuka says in his book SuburbiaNation, &quot;Pleasantville is a morality tale concerning the values of contemporary suburban America by holding that social landscape up against both the Utopian and the dystopian visions of suburbia that emerged in the 1950s&quot;.

Robert McDaniel of Film and History described the town as the perfect place, &quot;It never rains, the highs and lows rest at 72 degrees, the fire department exists only to rescue treed cats, and the basketball team never misses the hoop.&quot; However, McDaniel says, &quot;Pleasantville is a false hope. David&#039;s journey tells him only that there is no &#039;right&#039; life, no model for how things are &#039;supposed to be.&#039;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But you better not let Tom know you&#039;re reading BE.  She&#039;s been on the Conservative shitlist for years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had just gotten layed off from my posh Silicon Valley job and it really hit right on target; it was terrific.  </p>
<p>I am a huge Barbara Ehrenreich fan. I&#8217;ve read several of her books.  Not only is she a compassionate and perceptive researcher and analyst, she is also a clear and elegant prose stylist and a trained scholar who documents her assertions and conclusions very effectively.  I&#8217;m sure Tom would love her.</p>
<p>BTW, the Wiki entry on Pleasantville had this entry&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Director Gary Ross stated, &#8220;This movie is about the fact that personal repression gives rise to larger political oppression&#8230;That when we&#8217;re afraid of certain things in ourselves or we&#8217;re afraid of change, we project those fears on to other things, and a lot of very ugly social situations can develop&#8221;.</p>
<p>Robert Beuka says in his book SuburbiaNation, &#8220;Pleasantville is a morality tale concerning the values of contemporary suburban America by holding that social landscape up against both the Utopian and the dystopian visions of suburbia that emerged in the 1950s&#8221;.</p>
<p>Robert McDaniel of Film and History described the town as the perfect place, &#8220;It never rains, the highs and lows rest at 72 degrees, the fire department exists only to rescue treed cats, and the basketball team never misses the hoop.&#8221; However, McDaniel says, &#8220;Pleasantville is a false hope. David&#8217;s journey tells him only that there is no &#8216;right&#8217; life, no model for how things are &#8216;supposed to be.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>But you better not let Tom know you&#8217;re reading BE.  She&#8217;s been on the Conservative shitlist for years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16057</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn&#039;t have the book, so I picked up the Fear of Falling..The Inner Life of the middle class...by Barbara Ehrenreich.

I can tell just by the introduction...I perceive I will be eating humble pie for awhile.
Gonna be interesting...she sits on the left. But I will listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t have the book, so I picked up the Fear of Falling..The Inner Life of the middle class&#8230;by Barbara Ehrenreich.</p>
<p>I can tell just by the introduction&#8230;I perceive I will be eating humble pie for awhile.<br />
Gonna be interesting&#8230;she sits on the left. But I will listen.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16056</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I chose to answer your post at length because I remember distinctly how earthshaking my own move was(around age 12) from the vital ethnic Cuban urban working class neighborhoods of Ybor City, Tampa, to lily-white suburban redneck Brandon, about 15 miles out of town.  There were some advantages at first, I had access to open country and even some wilderness, and the skies were dark enough for astronomy.  But I went overnight from a street-wise city urchin to an out-of-place suburban pre-teen.  In Brandon, you couldn&#039;t take the bus and get around, and there was no Boy&#039;s Club or Municipal Pool, or sandlot baseball, or going downtown to a movie or to catch the wrestling matches at the TV studio.  You were in the boonies, and if you didn&#039;t have a car you were a social outcast.  

Also, in town, I had extended family and friends and neighbors of my parents who were always available for a chat or a treat.  It seemed everybody knew me, (and ratted me out to my mom if I got into mischief).  The Cuban ghetto had a lot more in common with Mayberry RFD than the sparse, scattered suburbs west of town. 

Out in the country it was all weird Anglo people with impenetrable accents and mystifying customs.  Unlike the city, I had no friends my own age except at school, and school was 7 miles away by bus (I had always walked to school before, and my classmates were my neighbors).  I now only had one school chum living near me (two miles walk away!).

When I was a kid we had kid toys, we had tops, stickball, yo-yos, kites, marbles, bikes to get around with.  In the country, the hormones kicked in and only girls mattered any more, and if you didn&#039;t have a car you just had no access to girls, or any hope of ever having access.  

There were some advanatages, I could rent a rowboat at Giant&#039;s Camp and go fishing in the Alafia River. I could catch frogs and snakes in the canals that drained my neighborhood, and I could hunt fossils at the phosphate pits.  But these were mostly solitary pursuits.  In school, only football and cars seemed to matter, and I had no access to the latter and rapidly came to hate the former.

Suburbia sucked, big time.  And I never had the heart to tell my mother.  I knew perfectly well she had sacrificed so much to allow me to grow up in that environment, I couldn&#039;t just tell her I had been happier at the Ponce de Leon Projects in Ybor City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I chose to answer your post at length because I remember distinctly how earthshaking my own move was(around age 12) from the vital ethnic Cuban urban working class neighborhoods of Ybor City, Tampa, to lily-white suburban redneck Brandon, about 15 miles out of town.  There were some advantages at first, I had access to open country and even some wilderness, and the skies were dark enough for astronomy.  But I went overnight from a street-wise city urchin to an out-of-place suburban pre-teen.  In Brandon, you couldn&#8217;t take the bus and get around, and there was no Boy&#8217;s Club or Municipal Pool, or sandlot baseball, or going downtown to a movie or to catch the wrestling matches at the TV studio.  You were in the boonies, and if you didn&#8217;t have a car you were a social outcast.  </p>
<p>Also, in town, I had extended family and friends and neighbors of my parents who were always available for a chat or a treat.  It seemed everybody knew me, (and ratted me out to my mom if I got into mischief).  The Cuban ghetto had a lot more in common with Mayberry RFD than the sparse, scattered suburbs west of town. </p>
<p>Out in the country it was all weird Anglo people with impenetrable accents and mystifying customs.  Unlike the city, I had no friends my own age except at school, and school was 7 miles away by bus (I had always walked to school before, and my classmates were my neighbors).  I now only had one school chum living near me (two miles walk away!).</p>
<p>When I was a kid we had kid toys, we had tops, stickball, yo-yos, kites, marbles, bikes to get around with.  In the country, the hormones kicked in and only girls mattered any more, and if you didn&#8217;t have a car you just had no access to girls, or any hope of ever having access.  </p>
<p>There were some advanatages, I could rent a rowboat at Giant&#8217;s Camp and go fishing in the Alafia River. I could catch frogs and snakes in the canals that drained my neighborhood, and I could hunt fossils at the phosphate pits.  But these were mostly solitary pursuits.  In school, only football and cars seemed to matter, and I had no access to the latter and rapidly came to hate the former.</p>
<p>Suburbia sucked, big time.  And I never had the heart to tell my mother.  I knew perfectly well she had sacrificed so much to allow me to grow up in that environment, I couldn&#8217;t just tell her I had been happier at the Ponce de Leon Projects in Ybor City.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/06/29/the-disappearance-of-childhood/#comment-16055</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) Very nice ER! Have you seen the movie Pleasantville?

As a result of your post, and looking up a few things, my goal today is to go to a secondhand bookstore and purchase SuburbiaNation, by Robert Beuka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Very nice ER! Have you seen the movie Pleasantville?</p>
<p>As a result of your post, and looking up a few things, my goal today is to go to a secondhand bookstore and purchase SuburbiaNation, by Robert Beuka.</p>
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