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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/07/02/after-seeing-the-movie-prometheus/#comment-16491</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the opening scene, they showed the &quot;engineer&quot; drinking it from a cup. We saw his DNA being ripped apart. Was he just a test subject?

The goo in the &#039;vases&#039; was said to be organic. The vases contained ampules of whatever David gave to Shaw&#039;s husband. He ended up with a worm coming out of his eye and eventually in the &#039;spider-human&#039; state.

Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the opening scene, they showed the &#8220;engineer&#8221; drinking it from a cup. We saw his DNA being ripped apart. Was he just a test subject?</p>
<p>The goo in the &#8216;vases&#8217; was said to be organic. The vases contained ampules of whatever David gave to Shaw&#8217;s husband. He ended up with a worm coming out of his eye and eventually in the &#8216;spider-human&#8217; state.</p>
<p>Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/07/02/after-seeing-the-movie-prometheus/#comment-16480</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Buck about the Scientist that instantly falls in love with a disgusting life form. WTF? Buck also hits most of the relevant points but I disagree with the &quot;poisoning&quot;. The &quot;artificial person&quot; introduced alien genomic material to a test subject. That&#039;s the way I saw it. 

For some reason the old man Weyland kept reminding me of the last scenes of 2001.

Also Ainz, if we saw cgi like that 30 years ago, we&#039;d be in awe. 

One question. Would it be better to bring the alien ship back to Earth to examine it and prepare for their return or bring their WMD back to them. I think Shaw was wacked out in her motivation.

Final comment. The &quot;Prometheus was either a rip-off or a indirect tribute to the Moller SkyCar. 

&lt;img src=&quot;http://cdn.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/8_mollerb.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;SkyCar&quot; /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Buck about the Scientist that instantly falls in love with a disgusting life form. WTF? Buck also hits most of the relevant points but I disagree with the &#8220;poisoning&#8221;. The &#8220;artificial person&#8221; introduced alien genomic material to a test subject. That&#8217;s the way I saw it. </p>
<p>For some reason the old man Weyland kept reminding me of the last scenes of 2001.</p>
<p>Also Ainz, if we saw cgi like that 30 years ago, we&#8217;d be in awe. </p>
<p>One question. Would it be better to bring the alien ship back to Earth to examine it and prepare for their return or bring their WMD back to them. I think Shaw was wacked out in her motivation.</p>
<p>Final comment. The &#8220;Prometheus was either a rip-off or a indirect tribute to the Moller SkyCar. </p>
<p><img src="http://cdn.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/8_mollerb.jpg" alt="SkyCar" /></p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/07/02/after-seeing-the-movie-prometheus/#comment-16438</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They first lost me in this movie when the scientist takes off his helmet in an alien environment despite the protests of other scientists.  No real scientist would ever do this and the movie became a cartoon at that point.  Immediate loss of suspension of disbelief.  It got worse though.  It never explains why the android poisons the guy.  The engineer whose job was supposed to be tracking their location gets lost on the way back to the ship, and then the scientist he&#039;s with starts playing with an unknown alien life form because it&#039;s &quot;so cute.&quot;  Of course it kills him.  This was probably the most preposterous moment of many in the movie.  It never really explains why the one guy morphs into a some kind of zombie spider-human and attacks people at the ship.  It never has any comment from the alien (who has identical human dna but doesn&#039;t look identical to humans) as to why he attacks the people at the end.  The girl wants to fly to the alien world at the end rather than go home because she has to know why they created us and now hate us.  Duh, there&#039;s going to be more than one faction of these guys in the sequel.  

Tremendously disappointing movie coming from the director who made the incredible classic first Alien movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They first lost me in this movie when the scientist takes off his helmet in an alien environment despite the protests of other scientists.  No real scientist would ever do this and the movie became a cartoon at that point.  Immediate loss of suspension of disbelief.  It got worse though.  It never explains why the android poisons the guy.  The engineer whose job was supposed to be tracking their location gets lost on the way back to the ship, and then the scientist he&#8217;s with starts playing with an unknown alien life form because it&#8217;s &#8220;so cute.&#8221;  Of course it kills him.  This was probably the most preposterous moment of many in the movie.  It never really explains why the one guy morphs into a some kind of zombie spider-human and attacks people at the ship.  It never has any comment from the alien (who has identical human dna but doesn&#8217;t look identical to humans) as to why he attacks the people at the end.  The girl wants to fly to the alien world at the end rather than go home because she has to know why they created us and now hate us.  Duh, there&#8217;s going to be more than one faction of these guys in the sequel.  </p>
<p>Tremendously disappointing movie coming from the director who made the incredible classic first Alien movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ainz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ainz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You summed up my feelings exactly BuckGalaxy.

Very disappointed, and a little disgusted initially. It&#039;s beautifully shot, completely love the &quot;big set&quot; spaceship interiors, and marginal use of CGI and green screen. The plot seemed like it had some skips and bumps that could have been smoothed out. A little too much action and gore for me.

Having said all that, (just saw it two days ago) I&#039;m starting to temper the disappointment, as I replay some of the fantastic images and small but memorable scenes.

It&#039;s almost more &#039;Blade Runner&#039; than &#039;Alien&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You summed up my feelings exactly BuckGalaxy.</p>
<p>Very disappointed, and a little disgusted initially. It&#8217;s beautifully shot, completely love the &#8220;big set&#8221; spaceship interiors, and marginal use of CGI and green screen. The plot seemed like it had some skips and bumps that could have been smoothed out. A little too much action and gore for me.</p>
<p>Having said all that, (just saw it two days ago) I&#8217;m starting to temper the disappointment, as I replay some of the fantastic images and small but memorable scenes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost more &#8216;Blade Runner&#8217; than &#8216;Alien&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not playing in the local theater anymore. Will have to go into the next town.

I&#039;m sorry to hear it was a disappointment. It looked so promising, especially since the original somewhat begged for a prequel.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear it was a disappointment. It looked so promising, especially since the original somewhat begged for a prequel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...wasn&#039;t gonna say it...but I agree with Buck.


Go see it so we can discuss it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;wasn&#8217;t gonna say it&#8230;but I agree with Buck.</p>
<p>Go see it so we can discuss it!</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alien was one of the greatest sci fi movies ever made.  This was no where near that level.  After you see it I&#039;ll be glad to explain why I feel that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alien was one of the greatest sci fi movies ever made.  This was no where near that level.  After you see it I&#8217;ll be glad to explain why I feel that way.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/07/02/after-seeing-the-movie-prometheus/#comment-16127</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 03:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the first two. Amazing movies. 

Haven&#039;t had a chance to get to the theaters. No spoilers please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the first two. Amazing movies. </p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t had a chance to get to the theaters. No spoilers please</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of perfecly ordinary people routinely have their DNA frozen. They can be used for in-vitro fertilization, and there&#039;s no fundamental reason in the future why they shouldn&#039;t be able to clone an exact copy of a DNA donor.

Of course, a human being is the sum of his experiences and memories, not of his component physical parts, even if we reconstruct an exact duplicate all the way to the sub-atomic particle level.  Your clone would be like your identical twin, perhaps identical in appearance and physiology, but a separate distinct personality, another person entirely.  They might share a few personality traits with you, but they would not be you, they would have a different history and a different consciousness.

People who seek immortality through cloning don&#039;t fully understand this.  I might like to live forever, but I really don&#039;t care what happens to my clone after I&#039;m dead.  He ain&#039;t me.

Robert Silverberg once wrote a novel about how a person&#039;s consciousness (or &quot;persona&quot;) could be copied and uploaded into a computer memory, and later downloaded onto another brain, and the persona could share that brain and body with another person.  (It was impossible to download into a corpse). The downloaded persona would be able to communicate with the host brain, and experience everything he experienced, but would have no access to the host&#039;s motor functions, so the persona could not &quot;take over&quot;. Of course, a strong persona could psychologically dominate a weak host personality and gain control that way, or even drive the host into madness.

It gave the downloaded persona a chance to live again, although vicariously in another body.  The recipient could use the persona as a friend, counselor, or adviser, (although they sometimes wound up hating each other, with comic or tragic results) but the persona would only have access to memories of his own life up to the moment of the recording.  If he died, the resurrected persona would have no memory of anything between the last recording and the moment of death. 

Most people who subscribed to this service had recordings made about every six months, updating new experiences into his record.  The idea was that when you were finally downloaded into someone&#039;s head, you would have memories of your whole life except at most the last six months of it. Previous copies of your persona were supposed to be destroyed, by law, but of course, particularly talented people (like business tycoons and financial geniuses) had personas in high demand, and there were bootleg multiple copies on a flourishing black market. 

Silverberg, as usual, has a lot of fun with this concept, but there is a deep philosophical point behind it all.  If the human personality and consciousness is indeed just software and data that can be copied onto different platforms, then just what does the concept of conssciouness really mean? What is the soul?  What happens if a persona meets itself?  What happens if you time travel and meet yourself in the past or future?  What about the Star Trek transporter accident that creates multiple copies of the same person?  

As for the idea of multiple personas in one physical brain, that may not be out of the question altogether.  It may be the origin of schizophrenia, multiple personalities, or even the left-right brain duality. The psychologist Julian Jaynes argues very persuasively, using ancient texts and modern medical literature, that human beings used to be like that all the time.  Read his &quot;The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.&quot;  There&#039;s plenty of room inside us for others.  We are all a multitude.

Grace Slick wrote a song about it...
from &quot;Schizoforest Love Suite&quot;, vocals double-tracked, of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FtfZ1WuTA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of perfecly ordinary people routinely have their DNA frozen. They can be used for in-vitro fertilization, and there&#8217;s no fundamental reason in the future why they shouldn&#8217;t be able to clone an exact copy of a DNA donor.</p>
<p>Of course, a human being is the sum of his experiences and memories, not of his component physical parts, even if we reconstruct an exact duplicate all the way to the sub-atomic particle level.  Your clone would be like your identical twin, perhaps identical in appearance and physiology, but a separate distinct personality, another person entirely.  They might share a few personality traits with you, but they would not be you, they would have a different history and a different consciousness.</p>
<p>People who seek immortality through cloning don&#8217;t fully understand this.  I might like to live forever, but I really don&#8217;t care what happens to my clone after I&#8217;m dead.  He ain&#8217;t me.</p>
<p>Robert Silverberg once wrote a novel about how a person&#8217;s consciousness (or &#8220;persona&#8221;) could be copied and uploaded into a computer memory, and later downloaded onto another brain, and the persona could share that brain and body with another person.  (It was impossible to download into a corpse). The downloaded persona would be able to communicate with the host brain, and experience everything he experienced, but would have no access to the host&#8217;s motor functions, so the persona could not &#8220;take over&#8221;. Of course, a strong persona could psychologically dominate a weak host personality and gain control that way, or even drive the host into madness.</p>
<p>It gave the downloaded persona a chance to live again, although vicariously in another body.  The recipient could use the persona as a friend, counselor, or adviser, (although they sometimes wound up hating each other, with comic or tragic results) but the persona would only have access to memories of his own life up to the moment of the recording.  If he died, the resurrected persona would have no memory of anything between the last recording and the moment of death. </p>
<p>Most people who subscribed to this service had recordings made about every six months, updating new experiences into his record.  The idea was that when you were finally downloaded into someone&#8217;s head, you would have memories of your whole life except at most the last six months of it. Previous copies of your persona were supposed to be destroyed, by law, but of course, particularly talented people (like business tycoons and financial geniuses) had personas in high demand, and there were bootleg multiple copies on a flourishing black market. </p>
<p>Silverberg, as usual, has a lot of fun with this concept, but there is a deep philosophical point behind it all.  If the human personality and consciousness is indeed just software and data that can be copied onto different platforms, then just what does the concept of conssciouness really mean? What is the soul?  What happens if a persona meets itself?  What happens if you time travel and meet yourself in the past or future?  What about the Star Trek transporter accident that creates multiple copies of the same person?  </p>
<p>As for the idea of multiple personas in one physical brain, that may not be out of the question altogether.  It may be the origin of schizophrenia, multiple personalities, or even the left-right brain duality. The psychologist Julian Jaynes argues very persuasively, using ancient texts and modern medical literature, that human beings used to be like that all the time.  Read his &#8220;The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.&#8221;  There&#8217;s plenty of room inside us for others.  We are all a multitude.</p>
<p>Grace Slick wrote a song about it&#8230;<br />
from &#8220;Schizoforest Love Suite&#8221;, vocals double-tracked, of course.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FtfZ1WuTA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FtfZ1WuTA</a></p>
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