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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/06/the-democrats-duty-bring-the-gop-back-from-crazy/#comment-17162</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the Tea Party is getting ready to invade Poland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the Tea Party is getting ready to invade Poland.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/06/the-democrats-duty-bring-the-gop-back-from-crazy/#comment-17160</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You miss the context of the last sentence without reading the early part of the article I never posted.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Democratic party has an obligation to beat the Republican party so badly, over and over again, that rationality once again becomes a quality to be desired. It must be done by persuading the country of this simple fact. It cannot be done by reasoning with the Republicans, because the next two generations of them are too far gone. The state legislators now passing all manner of crazy laws represent the next generation of national Republican leaders. They are proudly unknowing. They are certain, because it is impossible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You miss the context of the last sentence without reading the early part of the article I never posted.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Democratic party has an obligation to beat the Republican party so badly, over and over again, that rationality once again becomes a quality to be desired. It must be done by persuading the country of this simple fact. It cannot be done by reasoning with the Republicans, because the next two generations of them are too far gone. The state legislators now passing all manner of crazy laws represent the next generation of national Republican leaders. They are proudly unknowing. They are certain, because it is impossible.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/06/the-democrats-duty-bring-the-gop-back-from-crazy/#comment-17130</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
       
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)</p>
<p>    Turning and turning in the widening gyre<br />
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;<br />
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;<br />
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,<br />
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br />
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;<br />
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst<br />
    Are full of passionate intensity.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/06/the-democrats-duty-bring-the-gop-back-from-crazy/#comment-17127</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see the Democrats getting their act together in the way envisaged by this commentator.  The Democrats don&#039;t have the vision or the discipline or the organization, and they are not suited to pulling off major projects like reforming the GOP.  After all, they are Democrats, they don&#039;t have a unified political philosophy, and they are not fanatics, they are just a loose coalition of everyone who isn&#039;t Conservative.

I do agree with the author&#039;s conclusion that the GOP has gone very strange on us.  Not only has this introduced an element of irrationality and zealotry to American politics (not to mention some very strange bedfellows are gathering under the Republican tent). That is not good for any democracy, it has also destroyed the Republican Center we used to rely on as a counterweight to the excesses of Democratic exuberance and lack of restraint. 

I have no idea what is going to happen next, the only recognizable historical examples I have which might be applicable are not very reassuring: pre-Civil War America, and Weimar Germany. History does not repeat itself, but occasionally you see familiar patterns. And the ones I&#039;ve been seeing lately are scary as hell.

The fundamental characteristics of modern America are a declining economy, a change in demographics, and the final post WWII rehabilitation and stabilization of the world order after the fall of Communism, a strong Europe and a rising Asia.  This is making a lot of people feel threatened, it ain&#039;t 1955 any more, and it never will be again. 

Its not just alienation of the traditional white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, for lack of a better umbrella term, but the confusion of many of the immigrant communities of the late 19th century, now fully integrated into American life.  The new Mexican and Central American immigrants will not be assimilated like the Southern and Eastern Europeans of a century ago, because they are too ethnically homogeneous.  We won&#039;t have a lot of strangers here who will have to assimilate to survive.  We&#039;ll have a cultural and linguistic bloc who even if they learn the language, will still see themselves as a cohesive culture, one that has, after all, been living continuously in Western CONUS since the 1600s. To them, the Anglos are a historical blip that will soon fade away.

Couple all this with a world of strong international business competition, multiple regional powers, declining resource stocks, economic distress, and climate change, and the fantasy of the Republicans of returning to some 18th century pastoralism are revealed for the pathetic nostalgic foolishness they really are.  

The future will not look like Franklin&#039;s Boston or Philadelphia, or Jefferson&#039;s Virginia.  It will be a lot more like LaGuardia or Walker&#039;s Manhattan.  But we should not fear this.  The modern world was born in 1920s New York. It marked the rise of American Hegemony in the 20th century, and we might just be able to pull it off again.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see the Democrats getting their act together in the way envisaged by this commentator.  The Democrats don&#8217;t have the vision or the discipline or the organization, and they are not suited to pulling off major projects like reforming the GOP.  After all, they are Democrats, they don&#8217;t have a unified political philosophy, and they are not fanatics, they are just a loose coalition of everyone who isn&#8217;t Conservative.</p>
<p>I do agree with the author&#8217;s conclusion that the GOP has gone very strange on us.  Not only has this introduced an element of irrationality and zealotry to American politics (not to mention some very strange bedfellows are gathering under the Republican tent). That is not good for any democracy, it has also destroyed the Republican Center we used to rely on as a counterweight to the excesses of Democratic exuberance and lack of restraint. </p>
<p>I have no idea what is going to happen next, the only recognizable historical examples I have which might be applicable are not very reassuring: pre-Civil War America, and Weimar Germany. History does not repeat itself, but occasionally you see familiar patterns. And the ones I&#8217;ve been seeing lately are scary as hell.</p>
<p>The fundamental characteristics of modern America are a declining economy, a change in demographics, and the final post WWII rehabilitation and stabilization of the world order after the fall of Communism, a strong Europe and a rising Asia.  This is making a lot of people feel threatened, it ain&#8217;t 1955 any more, and it never will be again. </p>
<p>Its not just alienation of the traditional white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, for lack of a better umbrella term, but the confusion of many of the immigrant communities of the late 19th century, now fully integrated into American life.  The new Mexican and Central American immigrants will not be assimilated like the Southern and Eastern Europeans of a century ago, because they are too ethnically homogeneous.  We won&#8217;t have a lot of strangers here who will have to assimilate to survive.  We&#8217;ll have a cultural and linguistic bloc who even if they learn the language, will still see themselves as a cohesive culture, one that has, after all, been living continuously in Western CONUS since the 1600s. To them, the Anglos are a historical blip that will soon fade away.</p>
<p>Couple all this with a world of strong international business competition, multiple regional powers, declining resource stocks, economic distress, and climate change, and the fantasy of the Republicans of returning to some 18th century pastoralism are revealed for the pathetic nostalgic foolishness they really are.  </p>
<p>The future will not look like Franklin&#8217;s Boston or Philadelphia, or Jefferson&#8217;s Virginia.  It will be a lot more like LaGuardia or Walker&#8217;s Manhattan.  But we should not fear this.  The modern world was born in 1920s New York. It marked the rise of American Hegemony in the 20th century, and we might just be able to pull it off again.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
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		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 03:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, good luck with that. n/t</description>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 03:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tea Party regards representing the entire country as treason.  Compromise so as to better meet the needs of all, instead of the mega-wealthy and mega-corporations, is regarded as treason.

They would rather die, much like early Christian martyrs, than even give a little bit.  They remind me, as voters, of the Japanese who would jump off a cliff rather than surrender, and no one is asking them to even surrender.

It&#039;s their way, and their way alone, or they will proudly destroy the country.  Feeling quite noble the entire time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tea Party regards representing the entire country as treason.  Compromise so as to better meet the needs of all, instead of the mega-wealthy and mega-corporations, is regarded as treason.</p>
<p>They would rather die, much like early Christian martyrs, than even give a little bit.  They remind me, as voters, of the Japanese who would jump off a cliff rather than surrender, and no one is asking them to even surrender.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s their way, and their way alone, or they will proudly destroy the country.  Feeling quite noble the entire time.</p>
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