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		<title>By: RGClark</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17466</link>
		<dc:creator>RGClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 14:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Friday&#039;s teleconference lead Curiosity scientist John Grotzinger initially gave the max temperature at the landing site as 1 degree above freezing:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24773693
 
 However, later in response to a question for clarification on that temperature at about 22 minutes into the teleconference,  Grotzinger gave the temperature as 276 degrees Kelvin. This is about 3 degrees C, or 37 degrees F. 
 The temperatures are expected to go higher as we get into Spring at the landing site.

   Bob Clark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Friday&#8217;s teleconference lead Curiosity scientist John Grotzinger initially gave the max temperature at the landing site as 1 degree above freezing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24773693" rel="nofollow">http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24773693</a></p>
<p> However, later in response to a question for clarification on that temperature at about 22 minutes into the teleconference,  Grotzinger gave the temperature as 276 degrees Kelvin. This is about 3 degrees C, or 37 degrees F.<br />
 The temperatures are expected to go higher as we get into Spring at the landing site.</p>
<p>   Bob Clark</p>
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		<title>By: RGClark</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17451</link>
		<dc:creator>RGClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More detailed discussion here:

A liquid water component to clouds and fogs on Mars.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2012/08/a-liquid-water-component-to-clouds-and.html

Bob Clark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More detailed discussion here:</p>
<p>A liquid water component to clouds and fogs on Mars.<br />
<a href="http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2012/08/a-liquid-water-component-to-clouds-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2012/08/a-liquid-water-component-to-clouds-and.html</a></p>
<p>Bob Clark</p>
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		<title>By: RGClark</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17425</link>
		<dc:creator>RGClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-mars-curiosity-mojave-desert-120808.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Curiosity Surveys a Martian &#039;Mojave Desert&#039;: Big Pic.&lt;/a&gt;
Aug. 8, 2012 --

 The panoramic image, attached below, shows what appears to be &quot;haze&quot; at the base of the mountains in the distance in Gale crater. This was predicted prior to landing:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20120804/SPACE/120804008/Pink-skies-water-ice-haze-forecast-Curiosity-landing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pink skies, water ice haze in forecast for Curiosity landing.&lt;/a&gt;
12:56 PM, Aug 5, 2012
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;PASADENA, CALIF. — Expect pink skies with a chance of a water ice haze over Gale Crater Monday when NASA’s Mars Science Laboratory and Curiosity rover arrive at the red planet.
&quot;Seasonal winter temperatures are expected to be a balmy 10 degrees Fahrenheit when Curiosity touches down at 3 p.m. local Mars time.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


 It is important to realize that clouds, fogs and hazes can have some proportion of liquid water even well below freezing temperature. This is well known to happen when salts are dissolved in the water through freezing point depression. But it can also happen with pure water through &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercooled&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;supercooling&lt;/a&gt;.
 The temperature at which supercooled liquid water can occur can even be below -40C, which coincidentally is also -40F:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4363/supercool-water&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Supercool Water.&lt;/a&gt;
Posted: 11/28/11
&lt;blockquote&gt;Liquid water as cold as minus 40 F has been found in clouds. Scientists have done experiments showing liquid water can exist at least down to minus 42 F.&lt;/blockquote&gt;




 Bob Clark

&lt;img src=&quot;http://news.discovery.com/space/2012/08/08/navcam-landscape-zoom.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Curiosity photo of Gale crater&quot; /&gt;	</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-mars-curiosity-mojave-desert-120808.html" rel="nofollow">Curiosity Surveys a Martian &#8216;Mojave Desert&#8217;: Big Pic.</a><br />
Aug. 8, 2012 &#8211;</p>
<p> The panoramic image, attached below, shows what appears to be &#8220;haze&#8221; at the base of the mountains in the distance in Gale crater. This was predicted prior to landing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20120804/SPACE/120804008/Pink-skies-water-ice-haze-forecast-Curiosity-landing" rel="nofollow">Pink skies, water ice haze in forecast for Curiosity landing.</a><br />
12:56 PM, Aug 5, 2012</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;PASADENA, CALIF. — Expect pink skies with a chance of a water ice haze over Gale Crater Monday when NASA’s Mars Science Laboratory and Curiosity rover arrive at the red planet.<br />
&#8220;Seasonal winter temperatures are expected to be a balmy 10 degrees Fahrenheit when Curiosity touches down at 3 p.m. local Mars time.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p> It is important to realize that clouds, fogs and hazes can have some proportion of liquid water even well below freezing temperature. This is well known to happen when salts are dissolved in the water through freezing point depression. But it can also happen with pure water through <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercooled" rel="nofollow">supercooling</a>.<br />
 The temperature at which supercooled liquid water can occur can even be below -40C, which coincidentally is also -40F:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4363/supercool-water" rel="nofollow">Supercool Water.</a><br />
Posted: 11/28/11</p>
<blockquote><p>Liquid water as cold as minus 40 F has been found in clouds. Scientists have done experiments showing liquid water can exist at least down to minus 42 F.</p></blockquote>
<p> Bob Clark</p>
<p><img src="http://news.discovery.com/space/2012/08/08/navcam-landscape-zoom.jpg" alt="Curiosity photo of Gale crater" /></p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17310</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As stated on the MSL website, the mission is to determine the &quot;habitability&quot; of Mars, both now and in the past.

The objectives are:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

1.Determine the mineralogical composition of the Martian surface and near-surface geological materials.

 2.Attempt to detect chemical building blocks of life (biosignatures).

 3.Interpret the processes that have formed and modified rocks and soils.

 4.Assess long-timescale (i.e., 4-billion-year) Martian atmospheric evolution processes.

 5.Determine present state, distribution, and cycling of water and carbon dioxide.

 6.Characterize the broad spectrum of surface radiation, including galactic radiation, cosmic radiation, solar proton events and secondary neutrons.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good to see you on the Zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As stated on the MSL website, the mission is to determine the &#8220;habitability&#8221; of Mars, both now and in the past.</p>
<p>The objectives are:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>1.Determine the mineralogical composition of the Martian surface and near-surface geological materials.</p>
<p> 2.Attempt to detect chemical building blocks of life (biosignatures).</p>
<p> 3.Interpret the processes that have formed and modified rocks and soils.</p>
<p> 4.Assess long-timescale (i.e., 4-billion-year) Martian atmospheric evolution processes.</p>
<p> 5.Determine present state, distribution, and cycling of water and carbon dioxide.</p>
<p> 6.Characterize the broad spectrum of surface radiation, including galactic radiation, cosmic radiation, solar proton events and secondary neutrons.</p>
<p>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Good to see you on the Zone.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17302</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it&#039;s safe for you to come back.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it&#8217;s safe for you to come back.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17300</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, its good to have you back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, its good to have you back.</p>
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		<title>By: RGClark</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17299</link>
		<dc:creator>RGClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a frequent contributor from the &quot;old days&quot;, back when Mars Sample Return was being debated as being safe or not.
 Do a web search on my name and &quot;Habitablezone.com&quot; to find some of the old posts.

   Bob Clark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a frequent contributor from the &#8220;old days&#8221;, back when Mars Sample Return was being debated as being safe or not.<br />
 Do a web search on my name and &#8220;Habitablezone.com&#8221; to find some of the old posts.</p>
<p>   Bob Clark</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/about-the-life-on-mars-question/#comment-17298</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not recognize your name, if you are a new visitor I encourage you to come visit us again, and often.

Perhaps you are reading too much into a few comments.  I&#039;m no planetologist myself, but I always had the impression of whether or not there is contemporaneous life on Mars to be far from settled.  The conditions there now don&#039;t rule it out, and since Viking, the unusual soil chemistry seems to have frustrated all our prior attempts to find out.

Personally, I believe there is no life there now, but there may have been in the past.  But searching for fossil microbes is a very different mission, and may even be beyond our technical capabilities.

For the time being, perhaps the best we can do is to try to nail down what the current Martian environment is like, and to try to gather what evidence we can of what it was like in the past. But I must concede, what we expect (or hope!) to find is going to inevitably influence what it is we look for, and how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not recognize your name, if you are a new visitor I encourage you to come visit us again, and often.</p>
<p>Perhaps you are reading too much into a few comments.  I&#8217;m no planetologist myself, but I always had the impression of whether or not there is contemporaneous life on Mars to be far from settled.  The conditions there now don&#8217;t rule it out, and since Viking, the unusual soil chemistry seems to have frustrated all our prior attempts to find out.</p>
<p>Personally, I believe there is no life there now, but there may have been in the past.  But searching for fossil microbes is a very different mission, and may even be beyond our technical capabilities.</p>
<p>For the time being, perhaps the best we can do is to try to nail down what the current Martian environment is like, and to try to gather what evidence we can of what it was like in the past. But I must concede, what we expect (or hope!) to find is going to inevitably influence what it is we look for, and how.</p>
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