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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17324</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 04:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fixed your link; it&#039;s a must watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fixed your link; it&#8217;s a must watch.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17322</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the one where Obama was quoting a statemnt by John McCain and they edited out the &quot;John McCain said...&quot; part so it would sound like the statement was Obama&#039;s.  Taken out of context that way, it was outrageous that Obama would say something like that.



&lt;blockquote&gt;At issue is this soundbite that the Romney campaign used from Obama: &quot;If we keep talking about the economy, we&#039;re going to lose.&quot;

In fact, Obama that day was quoting an unnamed campaign advisor for Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee. The full quote: &quot;Sen. McCain&#039;s campaign actually said, and I quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we&#039;re going to lose.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/23/news/la-pn-romney-iowa-20111123&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I guess anything goes if you&#039;re fighting godless Communism, eh?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the one where Obama was quoting a statemnt by John McCain and they edited out the &#8220;John McCain said&#8230;&#8221; part so it would sound like the statement was Obama&#8217;s.  Taken out of context that way, it was outrageous that Obama would say something like that.</p>
<blockquote><p>At issue is this soundbite that the Romney campaign used from Obama: &#8220;If we keep talking about the economy, we&#8217;re going to lose.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, Obama that day was quoting an unnamed campaign advisor for Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee. The full quote: &#8220;Sen. McCain&#8217;s campaign actually said, and I quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we&#8217;re going to lose.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/23/news/la-pn-romney-iowa-20111123" rel="nofollow">I guess anything goes if you&#8217;re fighting godless Communism, eh?<br />
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17321</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am defeated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am defeated.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17320</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/&gt;Re-Test &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes&lt;/a&gt; 

NOTICE: Link fixed by podrock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-Test </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012&#8212;do-we-look-stupid&#8211;don-t-answer-that-edition&#8212;grammatical-gaffes</a> </p>
<p>NOTICE: Link fixed by podrock.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17319</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you were talking about the one from the beginning of the campaign, I can&#039;t remember the exact details now, but I brought it up here on the Zone.

That&#039;s the one where when the Romney gang was called on it, and shown the full, unedited clip and they had the chutzpah to claim they had a right to edit it because that&#039;s what Obama &quot;meant to say and really believed&quot;.

You do realize, if these guys get elected, we&#039;re fucked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you were talking about the one from the beginning of the campaign, I can&#8217;t remember the exact details now, but I brought it up here on the Zone.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the one where when the Romney gang was called on it, and shown the full, unedited clip and they had the chutzpah to claim they had a right to edit it because that&#8217;s what Obama &#8220;meant to say and really believed&#8221;.</p>
<p>You do realize, if these guys get elected, we&#8217;re fucked.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17318</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 01:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve edited this about 10 times now, and thrown it in the trash about 5 times.  When I just paste the link with no html and when you copy/paste it to your browser, you end up on an error page.  Something is screwy with the link.  I can&#039;t get the &#039;link&#039; in edit to work for shit.  I&#039;m getting a bit frustrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve edited this about 10 times now, and thrown it in the trash about 5 times.  When I just paste the link with no html and when you copy/paste it to your browser, you end up on an error page.  Something is screwy with the link.  I can&#8217;t get the &#8216;link&#8217; in edit to work for shit.  I&#8217;m getting a bit frustrated.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17317</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 01:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already seen several of these, one wasn&#039;t even from a PAC, it was from the Romney campaign.  I&#039;ve started a scrapbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already seen several of these, one wasn&#8217;t even from a PAC, it was from the Romney campaign.  I&#8217;ve started a scrapbook.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
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		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 01:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes&quot; title=&quot;(Sorry for the commercial, but I guess it pays somebody&#039;s bills.)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes" title="(Sorry for the commercial, but I guess it pays somebody's bills.)" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17308</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that there were once grounds for the impeachment of President Reagan on charges of capital treason (yes, they can hang you for this) because he had (during the Iran-Contra affair) 

1) Attempted to &quot;provide aid and comfort to the enemy&quot; by selling advanced weapons to Iranian terrorists who had held our people hostage...

2) ...in order to carry out an illegal war in Central America against the specific orders and instructions of Congress.

The Conservative&#039;s response was not to question my facts, or argue that the activities had been carried out without the knowledge of Mr Reagan (the official alibi).  No, his response was that Reagan was entitled to do that because he was fighting Communism and the traitors in Congress refused to do their duty.

If you can justify any illegal activity based on your own personal political preferences rather than the lawful statutes of a freely elected and totally legitimate government, then lying and falsifying the public record in order to frustrate a political opponent is chicken feed.   These people will stop at nothing to get their way, and they will cloak themselves in  fiscal responsibility, Christian piety and patriotic hypocrisy to make sure they can get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that there were once grounds for the impeachment of President Reagan on charges of capital treason (yes, they can hang you for this) because he had (during the Iran-Contra affair) </p>
<p>1) Attempted to &#8220;provide aid and comfort to the enemy&#8221; by selling advanced weapons to Iranian terrorists who had held our people hostage&#8230;</p>
<p>2) &#8230;in order to carry out an illegal war in Central America against the specific orders and instructions of Congress.</p>
<p>The Conservative&#8217;s response was not to question my facts, or argue that the activities had been carried out without the knowledge of Mr Reagan (the official alibi).  No, his response was that Reagan was entitled to do that because he was fighting Communism and the traitors in Congress refused to do their duty.</p>
<p>If you can justify any illegal activity based on your own personal political preferences rather than the lawful statutes of a freely elected and totally legitimate government, then lying and falsifying the public record in order to frustrate a political opponent is chicken feed.   These people will stop at nothing to get their way, and they will cloak themselves in  fiscal responsibility, Christian piety and patriotic hypocrisy to make sure they can get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/08/11/culture-of-fraud-in-the-romney-campaign/#comment-17305</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/08/mitt-romney-sure-does-lie-lot-doesnt-he&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The post-truth campaign...&lt;/a&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Paul Waldman has done a lot of academic research on political ads. In fact, he says, he has personally watched &quot;every single presidential general election campaign ad ever aired since the first ones in 1952.&quot; So what does he think of Mitt Romney&#039;s new ad that claims President Obama has a plan for &quot;dropping work requirements&quot; for welfare? &quot;Under Obama&#039;s plan,&quot; says the narrator, &quot;you wouldn&#039;t have to work and wouldn&#039;t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check.&quot;

    I&#039;ve seen ads that were more inflammatory than this one, and ads that were in various ways more reprehensible than this one (not many, but some). &lt;strong&gt;But I cannot recall a single presidential campaign ad in the history of American politics that lied more blatantly than this one.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/08/mitt-romney-sure-does-lie-lot-doesnt-he&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

    …Usually candidates deceive voters by taking something their opponent says out of context, or giving a tendentious reading to facts, or distorting the effects of policies. But in this case, Romney and his people looked at a policy of the Obama administration to allow states to pursue alternative means of placing welfare recipients in jobs, and said, &quot;Well, how about if we just say that they&#039;re eliminating all work requirements and just sending people checks?&quot; I have no idea if someone in the room said, &quot;We could say that, but it&#039;s not even remotely true,&quot; and then someone else said, &quot;Who gives a crap?&quot;, or if nobody ever suggested in the first place that this might be problematic. But either way, they decided that they don&#039;t even have to pretend to be telling the truth anymore.

This is what&#039;s so striking about Romney&#039;s campaign. As Paul says, it&#039;s common to twist and distort and cherry pick. But Romney has flatly claimed that Obama said something that, in fact, a John McCain aide said. He&#039;s snipped out sentences from an Obama speech and spliced the two halves back together so nobody could tell what he did. Then he did it again to another Obama speech. And he unequivocally said that Obama plans to drop work requirements for welfare even though he&#039;s done nothing of the sort.

This really is a post-truth campaign. It&#039;s different. It&#039;s one thing to be nasty. All campaigns are nasty. It&#039;s one thing to twist and distort and mock. Every campaign does that too. Even the attacks on Al Gore in 2000, as vicious as they were, were mostly media inventions. The Republican campaigns had the distortions handed to them on a platter.

But this is different. This is a presidential candidate just baldly making stuff up on the assumption that nobody will ever know. After all, they figure, who the hell reads Glenn Kessler aside from a bunch of Beltway nerds? And I guess they&#039;re right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/08/mitt-romney-sure-does-lie-lot-doesnt-he" rel="nofollow">The post-truth campaign&#8230;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Paul Waldman has done a lot of academic research on political ads. In fact, he says, he has personally watched &#8220;every single presidential general election campaign ad ever aired since the first ones in 1952.&#8221; So what does he think of Mitt Romney&#8217;s new ad that claims President Obama has a plan for &#8220;dropping work requirements&#8221; for welfare? &#8220;Under Obama&#8217;s plan,&#8221; says the narrator, &#8220;you wouldn&#8217;t have to work and wouldn&#8217;t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check.&#8221;</p>
<p>    I&#8217;ve seen ads that were more inflammatory than this one, and ads that were in various ways more reprehensible than this one (not many, but some). <strong>But I cannot recall a single presidential campaign ad in the history of American politics that lied more blatantly than this one.</strong><a href="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/08/mitt-romney-sure-does-lie-lot-doesnt-he" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
<p>    …Usually candidates deceive voters by taking something their opponent says out of context, or giving a tendentious reading to facts, or distorting the effects of policies. But in this case, Romney and his people looked at a policy of the Obama administration to allow states to pursue alternative means of placing welfare recipients in jobs, and said, &#8220;Well, how about if we just say that they&#8217;re eliminating all work requirements and just sending people checks?&#8221; I have no idea if someone in the room said, &#8220;We could say that, but it&#8217;s not even remotely true,&#8221; and then someone else said, &#8220;Who gives a crap?&#8221;, or if nobody ever suggested in the first place that this might be problematic. But either way, they decided that they don&#8217;t even have to pretend to be telling the truth anymore.</p>
<p>This is what&#8217;s so striking about Romney&#8217;s campaign. As Paul says, it&#8217;s common to twist and distort and cherry pick. But Romney has flatly claimed that Obama said something that, in fact, a John McCain aide said. He&#8217;s snipped out sentences from an Obama speech and spliced the two halves back together so nobody could tell what he did. Then he did it again to another Obama speech. And he unequivocally said that Obama plans to drop work requirements for welfare even though he&#8217;s done nothing of the sort.</p>
<p>This really is a post-truth campaign. It&#8217;s different. It&#8217;s one thing to be nasty. All campaigns are nasty. It&#8217;s one thing to twist and distort and mock. Every campaign does that too. Even the attacks on Al Gore in 2000, as vicious as they were, were mostly media inventions. The Republican campaigns had the distortions handed to them on a platter.</p>
<p>But this is different. This is a presidential candidate just baldly making stuff up on the assumption that nobody will ever know. After all, they figure, who the hell reads Glenn Kessler aside from a bunch of Beltway nerds? And I guess they&#8217;re right.</p></blockquote>
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