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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18076</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 06:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, they can make a 200 horsepower car purr, quiet as can be.  A Generac generator sounds like  an unmuffled B-29 running up in the driveway.  Unbelievably noisy.  I had to put mine in the downstairs fireplace and then put boards around it with a fan blowing in order to keep my neighbors from shooting it or me.

Second, the won&#039;t stay running.  They get bad cases of the heebie-jeebies, fear of cold weather, fear of warm weather, bad gas, bad air, bad temperament, the swoons, bird-strikes, power overload.

I had one during a power outage that lasted 4 days.  It lasted one.  I took it in to the warranty place and was talking to an underling.  Along came the boss.

&quot;How often have you had that in for service?&quot;, he asks.

&quot;Never&quot;.  

&quot;See, and you expect it to run.  Ya gotta take care of them.  They don&#039;t run forever, you know.&quot;

I smugly explained I just got it, and he walked off.  Don&#039;t think I dented him.  

If you want to have power AND peace of mind, my advice is to not get a Generac.  I tried to give it away, finally threw it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, they can make a 200 horsepower car purr, quiet as can be.  A Generac generator sounds like  an unmuffled B-29 running up in the driveway.  Unbelievably noisy.  I had to put mine in the downstairs fireplace and then put boards around it with a fan blowing in order to keep my neighbors from shooting it or me.</p>
<p>Second, the won&#8217;t stay running.  They get bad cases of the heebie-jeebies, fear of cold weather, fear of warm weather, bad gas, bad air, bad temperament, the swoons, bird-strikes, power overload.</p>
<p>I had one during a power outage that lasted 4 days.  It lasted one.  I took it in to the warranty place and was talking to an underling.  Along came the boss.</p>
<p>&#8220;How often have you had that in for service?&#8221;, he asks.</p>
<p>&#8220;Never&#8221;.  </p>
<p>&#8220;See, and you expect it to run.  Ya gotta take care of them.  They don&#8217;t run forever, you know.&#8221;</p>
<p>I smugly explained I just got it, and he walked off.  Don&#8217;t think I dented him.  </p>
<p>If you want to have power AND peace of mind, my advice is to not get a Generac.  I tried to give it away, finally threw it out.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18069</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 02:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your breakers may add up to 325 amp, but the box will be rated at 200 amps.  Anything over that will trip the mains.

And if you&#039;re drawing 200 amps you are doing something wrong.  That&#039;s an enormous amount of power for a house.

Just for the heck of it I wrote the owners of a store which is being demolished not far from here, asking if I might bid on or purchase their back-up power system.  Don&#039;t know what I&#039;d do with  it, would fill up the garage and spill over onto the driveway.  

Would be nice to put 4 tractor tires around it and call it my new hybrid.  Start the diesels once in a while, Sunday mornings, and when someone complained tell the sinners they should have had their souls in church.

Arf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your breakers may add up to 325 amp, but the box will be rated at 200 amps.  Anything over that will trip the mains.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re drawing 200 amps you are doing something wrong.  That&#8217;s an enormous amount of power for a house.</p>
<p>Just for the heck of it I wrote the owners of a store which is being demolished not far from here, asking if I might bid on or purchase their back-up power system.  Don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;d do with  it, would fill up the garage and spill over onto the driveway.  </p>
<p>Would be nice to put 4 tractor tires around it and call it my new hybrid.  Start the diesels once in a while, Sunday mornings, and when someone complained tell the sinners they should have had their souls in church.</p>
<p>Arf</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18061</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is quite a lot, and probably much more than I actually use.&lt;/p&gt;

I was guessing from by my main switchbox, which contains circuit breakers adding up to 325 amps.

In reality, I could work with a lot less, but the fantasy is not having to worry about what you have switched on in the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is quite a lot, and probably much more than I actually use.</p>
<p>I was guessing from by my main switchbox, which contains circuit breakers adding up to 325 amps.</p>
<p>In reality, I could work with a lot less, but the fantasy is not having to worry about what you have switched on in the house.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18059</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$2500 including transfer switch. 7KW. Pretty cool.

A fridge takes about 1200w to start.

If someone is going to spend $1000 on a gas generator, might be a good idea to save up for one of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200434682_200434682?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Generators-_-Residential%20Standby%20Generators-_-167217&amp;ci_sku=167217&amp;ci_gpa=pla&amp;ci_kw={keyword}w&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$2500 including transfer switch. 7KW. Pretty cool.</p>
<p>A fridge takes about 1200w to start.</p>
<p>If someone is going to spend $1000 on a gas generator, might be a good idea to save up for one of <a href="http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200434682_200434682?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Generators-_-Residential%20Standby%20Generators-_-167217&#038;ci_sku=167217&#038;ci_gpa=pla&#038;ci_kw={keyword}w" rel="nofollow">these</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18052</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 06:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look to companies such as Nike and Intel, or even your basic grocery store.  Nike and Intel upgrade their power supplies every not and then and the remains are cheap.  In fact, they are given to the contractor doing the work.  Grocery stores have diesel generators in case of power failure.  Cheaper than having all their inventory disappear.  Find one being remodeled and buy those units.  Again, minimal wear and very, very inexpensive.

The come with the transfer switches, etc, which would break a normal Silicon Valley person, probably incidental to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look to companies such as Nike and Intel, or even your basic grocery store.  Nike and Intel upgrade their power supplies every not and then and the remains are cheap.  In fact, they are given to the contractor doing the work.  Grocery stores have diesel generators in case of power failure.  Cheaper than having all their inventory disappear.  Find one being remodeled and buy those units.  Again, minimal wear and very, very inexpensive.</p>
<p>The come with the transfer switches, etc, which would break a normal Silicon Valley person, probably incidental to you.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18035</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A 30 KW standby generator, which would run everything in my house very comfortably, runs about $10,000.&lt;/p&gt;

I don&#039;t think that includes installation and the critical switching system.

That&#039;s a lot of money, but I&#039;ve seen people spend that much on entertainment systems.  It&#039;s an investment, like the house, and would probably be essential if you lived in a rural area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 30 KW standby generator, which would run everything in my house very comfortably, runs about $10,000.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that includes installation and the critical switching system.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a lot of money, but I&#8217;ve seen people spend that much on entertainment systems.  It&#8217;s an investment, like the house, and would probably be essential if you lived in a rural area.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18033</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 25 years ago I was at a New Year&#039;s Eve party at a couples I&#039;d known for years.  She was a successful attorney, he a tennis bum with a trust fund and more coming.

They lived in a very large house in a wooded area in NW Portland, on top of a ridge which gave them spectacular views to the east, north and west.  They had bought the house from the original owner, one of the Pendleton Woolen Mills founders, or heirs or something.

The weather was lousy, great for New Year&#039;s Eve inside, and Pat and I were talking about something when the lights flickered a couple of times and the countryside around us became dark - pitch black.  I heard a rumbling, low, quiet and somehow reassuring if it&#039;s on your side.

I asked him about it, and he said it was diesel running a generator.  I commented that he didn&#039;t seem to be that kind of guy and was told it came with the house.  It was a problem, though, a mixed blessing.  Took a lot of maintenance.

I asked what.  So help me, honest to God, he said that about 4 years ago it needed a new battery.

Such is life.  I think maybe a trust fund is a mixed blessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 25 years ago I was at a New Year&#8217;s Eve party at a couples I&#8217;d known for years.  She was a successful attorney, he a tennis bum with a trust fund and more coming.</p>
<p>They lived in a very large house in a wooded area in NW Portland, on top of a ridge which gave them spectacular views to the east, north and west.  They had bought the house from the original owner, one of the Pendleton Woolen Mills founders, or heirs or something.</p>
<p>The weather was lousy, great for New Year&#8217;s Eve inside, and Pat and I were talking about something when the lights flickered a couple of times and the countryside around us became dark &#8211; pitch black.  I heard a rumbling, low, quiet and somehow reassuring if it&#8217;s on your side.</p>
<p>I asked him about it, and he said it was diesel running a generator.  I commented that he didn&#8217;t seem to be that kind of guy and was told it came with the house.  It was a problem, though, a mixed blessing.  Took a lot of maintenance.</p>
<p>I asked what.  So help me, honest to God, he said that about 4 years ago it needed a new battery.</p>
<p>Such is life.  I think maybe a trust fund is a mixed blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18023</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I almost bought a generator some years ago when our power was unreliable for a while.&lt;/p&gt;

I have a couple of inverters that can clip onto a battery, but it takes a hellacious big inverter to run a full-size refrigerator, probably for the same mechanical reasons as generators have trouble with AC units.

I have several ways of running a computer online if I really need to do it.  My van has its own WiFi setup and inverter setup (not enough current to run my house, though).  I have probably half a dozen uninterruptible power supplies in the house, connected to various computers and electronics.  One of the big ones can run my modem and router for over four hours to maintain my home internet connection.  I can also recharge my laptop off one, or off the van&#039;s inverters.

I didn&#039;t need a computer that badly today.  I missed the washing machine more.

My ideal house would have a full-power auto-switching generator system, like a hospital does.  Can&#039;t afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost bought a generator some years ago when our power was unreliable for a while.</p>
<p>I have a couple of inverters that can clip onto a battery, but it takes a hellacious big inverter to run a full-size refrigerator, probably for the same mechanical reasons as generators have trouble with AC units.</p>
<p>I have several ways of running a computer online if I really need to do it.  My van has its own WiFi setup and inverter setup (not enough current to run my house, though).  I have probably half a dozen uninterruptible power supplies in the house, connected to various computers and electronics.  One of the big ones can run my modem and router for over four hours to maintain my home internet connection.  I can also recharge my laptop off one, or off the van&#8217;s inverters.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t need a computer that badly today.  I missed the washing machine more.</p>
<p>My ideal house would have a full-power auto-switching generator system, like a hospital does.  Can&#8217;t afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18021</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my power goes off, I take a walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my power goes off, I take a walk.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/04/a-day-without-electricity/#comment-18017</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are small generators which are cheap.  The downside is that they are so noisy as to be intolerable, if not to you or your understanding neighbors, but the folks 3 blocks away don&#039;t know you as well.

There are expensive generators, only two of which are quiet enough to consider.  Those are Yahama and Honda, and at around $1000 not worth the price for strictly household power outages.

Then there are inverters which can be used on your car.  I have one which puts out something like 175 watts and plugs into a cigarette lighter.  About $35 if I recall.  And I have one which is 1500 watts and I have plugged into the &quot;house battery&quot; on my little RV now.  The reason I purchased it, though, was to hook up to the car and have enough power to run the gas furnace in case of a winter outage.  I believe that came from Amazon for about $120 and the brand name &quot;Cobra&quot;.  On a whim I bought the remote control for it, which is handy i the RV.

You would have to keep your car running.

At any rate, the larger inverter is a good investment for power outages.  There is enough power to run a refrigerator or freezer and a computer in the event of longer failures.  The smaller inverter is super for running a110 VAC laptop or DVD player in a vehicle on longer trips.

This http://www.harborfreight.com/200-watt-continuous-power-inverter-66967.html would do you, for $20 and be nice to have around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are small generators which are cheap.  The downside is that they are so noisy as to be intolerable, if not to you or your understanding neighbors, but the folks 3 blocks away don&#8217;t know you as well.</p>
<p>There are expensive generators, only two of which are quiet enough to consider.  Those are Yahama and Honda, and at around $1000 not worth the price for strictly household power outages.</p>
<p>Then there are inverters which can be used on your car.  I have one which puts out something like 175 watts and plugs into a cigarette lighter.  About $35 if I recall.  And I have one which is 1500 watts and I have plugged into the &#8220;house battery&#8221; on my little RV now.  The reason I purchased it, though, was to hook up to the car and have enough power to run the gas furnace in case of a winter outage.  I believe that came from Amazon for about $120 and the brand name &#8220;Cobra&#8221;.  On a whim I bought the remote control for it, which is handy i the RV.</p>
<p>You would have to keep your car running.</p>
<p>At any rate, the larger inverter is a good investment for power outages.  There is enough power to run a refrigerator or freezer and a computer in the event of longer failures.  The smaller inverter is super for running a110 VAC laptop or DVD player in a vehicle on longer trips.</p>
<p>This <a href="http://www.harborfreight.com/200-watt-continuous-power-inverter-66967.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.harborfreight.com/200-watt-continuous-power-inverter-66967.html</a> would do you, for $20 and be nice to have around.</p>
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