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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/09/the-dog-that-does-nothing-in-the-nighttime/#comment-18159</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama campaigned on increasing the war effort in Afghanistan and ending the war in Iraq.  He did both.  He&#039;s also kept a promise to go after the guys who attacked us.  

Now he is promising to end the war in Afghanistan.  There is no reason to not believe him.  What&#039;s Romney&#039;s plan for Afghanistan?

&quot;I&#039;ll talk to the generals when I&#039;m president and listen to what they have to say.&quot;

WTF?  How can he not have an opinion about it now?  The man is a foreign policy midget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama campaigned on increasing the war effort in Afghanistan and ending the war in Iraq.  He did both.  He&#8217;s also kept a promise to go after the guys who attacked us.  </p>
<p>Now he is promising to end the war in Afghanistan.  There is no reason to not believe him.  What&#8217;s Romney&#8217;s plan for Afghanistan?</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll talk to the generals when I&#8217;m president and listen to what they have to say.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF?  How can he not have an opinion about it now?  The man is a foreign policy midget.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/09/the-dog-that-does-nothing-in-the-nighttime/#comment-18158</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/09/the-dog-that-does-nothing-in-the-nighttime/#comment-18153</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you&#039;re fuckin&#039;-A right on, brother.

The Right made a big mistake sending the working and middle classes to college in large numbers.  We&#039;ve been causing them headaches ever since the post-WWII GI Bill, and especially now with the baby boomers and the Viet Nam generation.  I know I probably would never have finished college without government assistance. 

You can see now how they have no intention of ever letting &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; happen again, and are taking steps to ensure it won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you&#8217;re fuckin&#8217;-A right on, brother.</p>
<p>The Right made a big mistake sending the working and middle classes to college in large numbers.  We&#8217;ve been causing them headaches ever since the post-WWII GI Bill, and especially now with the baby boomers and the Viet Nam generation.  I know I probably would never have finished college without government assistance. </p>
<p>You can see now how they have no intention of ever letting <em>that</em> happen again, and are taking steps to ensure it won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/09/the-dog-that-does-nothing-in-the-nighttime/#comment-18152</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-war crowd included a few vets who had college funded by Uncle Sugar.  A problem with higher education of years ago is that part of it taught one how to think.

That&#039;s why so much of the media has a liberal bias, why so many institutions of higher education have a liberal bias, why traditionally the Intelligentsia has been liberal.  They know how to think for themselves.

&quot;Dittohead&quot; is the opposite.  They tend to believe what they are told to believe.  Tend to be Conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-war crowd included a few vets who had college funded by Uncle Sugar.  A problem with higher education of years ago is that part of it taught one how to think.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why so much of the media has a liberal bias, why so many institutions of higher education have a liberal bias, why traditionally the Intelligentsia has been liberal.  They know how to think for themselves.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dittohead&#8221; is the opposite.  They tend to believe what they are told to believe.  Tend to be Conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only true cliche about the military is you do grow up in a hurry.  Even without combat, or even without overseas duty, the very act of being a meaningless cog in an organization that is barely aware you exist can give you a whole new perspective on reality. Not school or even an industrial job is so capable of quickly giving you a sense of total alienation. You suddenly realize you are not the center of the universe.

Its not that difficult, most people get through the experience OK.  But no one gets through it unchanged.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vietnam-Tonkin-Gulf-Yacht-Club-Ballcap-Cap-Hat-/00/s/MTIwMlgxNjAw/$(KGrHqFHJBEE-byTWv-yBPqKDg6Bug~~60_35.JPG&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only true cliche about the military is you do grow up in a hurry.  Even without combat, or even without overseas duty, the very act of being a meaningless cog in an organization that is barely aware you exist can give you a whole new perspective on reality. Not school or even an industrial job is so capable of quickly giving you a sense of total alienation. You suddenly realize you are not the center of the universe.</p>
<p>Its not that difficult, most people get through the experience OK.  But no one gets through it unchanged.</p>
<p><img src="http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vietnam-Tonkin-Gulf-Yacht-Club-Ballcap-Cap-Hat-/00/s/MTIwMlgxNjAw/$(KGrHqFHJBEE-byTWv-yBPqKDg6Bug~~60_35.JPG" alt="." /></p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/09/the-dog-that-does-nothing-in-the-nighttime/#comment-18150</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I lived in a small 2-story dorm, built during the depression.  We had 1 vet in the crop of freshmen that entered when I did.  He was just one of the guys (though he was a bit more mature than the rest of us).  I could not tell you who or how many of the upperclassmen were vets.  It was not an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I lived in a small 2-story dorm, built during the depression.  We had 1 vet in the crop of freshmen that entered when I did.  He was just one of the guys (though he was a bit more mature than the rest of us).  I could not tell you who or how many of the upperclassmen were vets.  It was not an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/09/the-dog-that-does-nothing-in-the-nighttime/#comment-18149</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came back from my tour in late &#039;68, and started college in Jan &#039;69.  The number of green fatigues walking around campus with long hair and peace symbols was overwhelming.  The Right today would like us to think that the returning VN Vet was constantly scorned and insulted by draft-dodging hippies, but it wasn&#039;t like that at all. I don&#039;t doubt that may have happened somewhere to somebody, I can&#039;t speak for anyone but myself.  But I am convinced those stories are mostly lies perpetrated by supporters of the war. I was never spit on as a vet, no one I knew was ever spit on, and no one I knew knew anyone who was ever spit on.

The initial impression was that you couldn&#039;t argue too smugly the merits of our involvement in VN because most of the people you&#039;d have to convince had actually been there, and all the people who were likely to agree with you, hadn&#039;t. 

I wasn&#039;t immediately recognizable as a Vet, I wore my old dungarees, chambray shirts, and bluejacket (Navy fatigues) so I looked just like any other hippy in bell-bottoms and a work shirt.  My hair was short, because I was still a reservist with weekend drills to attend. Only the fading name and rank insignia stencilled on my clothes gave me away as a GI, and the blue was swamped by the sea of Army and Marine green on campus.  They had told us in the service it was illegal to wear our fatigue uniforms as a civilian, and our dress uniforms were only for official holidays.  But we were proud to wear them anyway.

The university (at least the public, state university) wasn&#039;t so much a hotbed of anti-war activism as a a hotbed of anti-war veterans, mostly working class kids who in the late 60s, would never have had the chance to go to college otherwise. It&#039;s funny how that aspect, so compelling to anyone who actually lived through it, doesn&#039;t seem to have survived in our film and TV dramatizations of that era.

This is not me, its a stock photo off the net. I never wore the &quot;dixie cup&quot;, or white hat, as a civilian, though.  I favored a blue baseball cap with a Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club patch sewed on it.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSryviT0LmQSNYsg2x2IB--aLJb5e15pv57SOQfMbYa6fyIiMMiRK5sResd&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came back from my tour in late &#8217;68, and started college in Jan &#8217;69.  The number of green fatigues walking around campus with long hair and peace symbols was overwhelming.  The Right today would like us to think that the returning VN Vet was constantly scorned and insulted by draft-dodging hippies, but it wasn&#8217;t like that at all. I don&#8217;t doubt that may have happened somewhere to somebody, I can&#8217;t speak for anyone but myself.  But I am convinced those stories are mostly lies perpetrated by supporters of the war. I was never spit on as a vet, no one I knew was ever spit on, and no one I knew knew anyone who was ever spit on.</p>
<p>The initial impression was that you couldn&#8217;t argue too smugly the merits of our involvement in VN because most of the people you&#8217;d have to convince had actually been there, and all the people who were likely to agree with you, hadn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t immediately recognizable as a Vet, I wore my old dungarees, chambray shirts, and bluejacket (Navy fatigues) so I looked just like any other hippy in bell-bottoms and a work shirt.  My hair was short, because I was still a reservist with weekend drills to attend. Only the fading name and rank insignia stencilled on my clothes gave me away as a GI, and the blue was swamped by the sea of Army and Marine green on campus.  They had told us in the service it was illegal to wear our fatigue uniforms as a civilian, and our dress uniforms were only for official holidays.  But we were proud to wear them anyway.</p>
<p>The university (at least the public, state university) wasn&#8217;t so much a hotbed of anti-war activism as a a hotbed of anti-war veterans, mostly working class kids who in the late 60s, would never have had the chance to go to college otherwise. It&#8217;s funny how that aspect, so compelling to anyone who actually lived through it, doesn&#8217;t seem to have survived in our film and TV dramatizations of that era.</p>
<p>This is not me, its a stock photo off the net. I never wore the &#8220;dixie cup&#8221;, or white hat, as a civilian, though.  I favored a blue baseball cap with a Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club patch sewed on it.</p>
<p><img src="http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSryviT0LmQSNYsg2x2IB--aLJb5e15pv57SOQfMbYa6fyIiMMiRK5sResd" alt="." /></p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
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		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way Nixon could be reelected was to promise to end the war as his opponents were doing.  It was, by that time, evident that no matter who was elected they would have to end the war or else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way Nixon could be reelected was to promise to end the war as his opponents were doing.  It was, by that time, evident that no matter who was elected they would have to end the war or else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/09/the-dog-that-does-nothing-in-the-nighttime/#comment-18134</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now see?  That&#039;s what a reasonable response looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now see?  That&#8217;s what a reasonable response looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the anti-war movement was also primarily liberal. Yes, sometimes it is quite simple. In fact, sometimes its obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the anti-war movement was also primarily liberal. Yes, sometimes it is quite simple. In fact, sometimes its obvious.</p>
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