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	<title>Comments on: Several other dogs which don&#8217;t bark.</title>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/11/several-other-dogs-which-dont-bark/#comment-18287</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546077_405550439511438_830556642_n.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;yep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546077_405550439511438_830556642_n.jpg" alt="" />yep</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about.

My original point is that the situation is always complex, and regardless of who history decides are &quot;the bad guys&quot;, the bad guys themselves never seem to see themselves as bad.  They can always justify what they are doing on the most noble and selfless grounds, whether it is ridding Germany of the Jews, ridding Russia of the counterrevolutionaries, ridding the country of bloodthirsty savages who don&#039;t know how to properly use the land, or ridding our Holy Land of Palestinians (or Zionists) or ridding the nation of the statists and socialists who want to take away our freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>My original point is that the situation is always complex, and regardless of who history decides are &#8220;the bad guys&#8221;, the bad guys themselves never seem to see themselves as bad.  They can always justify what they are doing on the most noble and selfless grounds, whether it is ridding Germany of the Jews, ridding Russia of the counterrevolutionaries, ridding the country of bloodthirsty savages who don&#8217;t know how to properly use the land, or ridding our Holy Land of Palestinians (or Zionists) or ridding the nation of the statists and socialists who want to take away our freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Contradicts your single point?  No.  More complex?  Yes.&lt;/p&gt;

And you&#039;re the one who brought up &quot;black and white,&quot; remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contradicts your single point?  No.  More complex?  Yes.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re the one who brought up &#8220;black and white,&#8221; remember?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me spell it out for you.

We wanted to expand into Indian Territory. We wanted their land for our puposes.

The Indians resisted.

We could not defeat them militarily, so we went after their food and and raw material supply, the buffalo.

At first we just killed the bison indiscriminately, then we developed an industry that got wealthy off the hides, leaving the rest of the carcass to rot.  This way we dind&#039;t have to pay professional hunters like Cody to kill the beasts, we let the hide trade itself develop and finance a market and an industry to do the job for us, while workers took the risks, both financial and physical. The Indians, after all, knew exactly what we were doing to them and they resisted.

Of course, I suppose you just see it as &quot;market forces at work&quot;. I concede we did not set up a committee of evil capitalists to mastermind this scheme, but it worked out excatly the same as if we had. A culture was exterminated--the definition of genocide, because we wanted their land for our farms and our railroads, and our hunger for minerals.

Or are you trying to imply that the Indians&#039; management of the range to maximize buffalo production in the pre-horse era justifies our activities because we were just a more efficient way of harvesting the resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me spell it out for you.</p>
<p>We wanted to expand into Indian Territory. We wanted their land for our puposes.</p>
<p>The Indians resisted.</p>
<p>We could not defeat them militarily, so we went after their food and and raw material supply, the buffalo.</p>
<p>At first we just killed the bison indiscriminately, then we developed an industry that got wealthy off the hides, leaving the rest of the carcass to rot.  This way we dind&#8217;t have to pay professional hunters like Cody to kill the beasts, we let the hide trade itself develop and finance a market and an industry to do the job for us, while workers took the risks, both financial and physical. The Indians, after all, knew exactly what we were doing to them and they resisted.</p>
<p>Of course, I suppose you just see it as &#8220;market forces at work&#8221;. I concede we did not set up a committee of evil capitalists to mastermind this scheme, but it worked out excatly the same as if we had. A culture was exterminated&#8211;the definition of genocide, because we wanted their land for our farms and our railroads, and our hunger for minerals.</p>
<p>Or are you trying to imply that the Indians&#8217; management of the range to maximize buffalo production in the pre-horse era justifies our activities because we were just a more efficient way of harvesting the resource.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Black and white.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_hunting&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s an article on the subject&lt;/a&gt;, which is a bit more complex than you imply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Black and white.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_hunting" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s an article on the subject</a>, which is a bit more complex than you imply.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/11/several-other-dogs-which-dont-bark/#comment-18207</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t defeat your enemy, destroy his livelihood, his culture, and his source of food and raw materials--and his freedom.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://wanderling.tripod.com/buffalo-skulls.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;Mountain of buffalo skulls and hunters, mid-19th century.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/kids/forts/images/hides-sm.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;

Of course, if you were one of the hunters, the redskin savages were the bad guys, because they wanted to stop you from earning an honest buck.

Tom, your world is so simple, so straightforward, so cut and dry, so black and white. So American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t defeat your enemy, destroy his livelihood, his culture, and his source of food and raw materials&#8211;and his freedom.</p>
<p><img src="http://wanderling.tripod.com/buffalo-skulls.jpg" alt="." /></p>
<blockquote><p>Mountain of buffalo skulls and hunters, mid-19th century.</p></blockquote>
<p><img src="http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/kids/forts/images/hides-sm.jpg" alt="." /></p>
<p>Of course, if you were one of the hunters, the redskin savages were the bad guys, because they wanted to stop you from earning an honest buck.</p>
<p>Tom, your world is so simple, so straightforward, so cut and dry, so black and white. So American.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/11/several-other-dogs-which-dont-bark/#comment-18206</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can figure that out when you watch what they use the weapons for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can figure that out when you watch what they use the weapons for.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/11/several-other-dogs-which-dont-bark/#comment-18205</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble is, the bad guys are always convinced &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; are the good guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble is, the bad guys are always convinced <em>they</em> are the good guys.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/11/several-other-dogs-which-dont-bark/#comment-18204</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The bad guys will always have weapons.  Always.&lt;/p&gt;

It&#039;s usually number one on the list of what bad guys want to acquire.

This has been true for thousands of years, which is why disarming the good guys never actually results in violence ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad guys will always have weapons.  Always.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s usually number one on the list of what bad guys want to acquire.</p>
<p>This has been true for thousands of years, which is why disarming the good guys never actually results in violence ending.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/11/several-other-dogs-which-dont-bark/#comment-18203</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that too....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that too&#8230;.</p>
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