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	<title>Comments on: It always freezes in winter.</title>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18385</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s your analysis of the situation and numbers I described?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s your analysis of the situation and numbers I described?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18381</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they start giving me free power, THEN I&#039;ll kiss their ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they start giving me free power, THEN I&#8217;ll kiss their ass.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18372</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not all or nothing, black and white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not all or nothing, black and white.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18353</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me sir, if I could ask you to step over to the Flame board for a moment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me sir, if I could ask you to step over to the Flame board for a moment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18344</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He contributed no data to my argument, his opinions did not influence my analysis, my reasoning was not guided by his in any way.  Until just a few weeks ago, I had no clue who he was, and until today, I knew little about him. He was simply a distraction, your attempt to divert the dialogue into a direction where you felt more comfortable.  
Just because he offends you does not mean I am under any obligation to defend him.

However, I just did look him up, a few minutes ago, and as far as I can tell from a quick scan of his Wiki bio, his scientific credentials are impeccable (he got the atmosphere of Venus issue right, didn&#039;t he?), its only his politics that you seem to find objectionable. But TB, you find just about everybody&#039;s politics objectionable.

The man is an astronomer. I must grudgingly concede a bit of personal bias there.  Astronomers do tend to have a solid grasp on the nature of data, an understanding of the process of observation, and the role the observer plays in it. I must confess I am inclined to weigh their opinions a bit heavier than I would, say, some public relations engineer on the payroll of the American Petroleum Institute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He contributed no data to my argument, his opinions did not influence my analysis, my reasoning was not guided by his in any way.  Until just a few weeks ago, I had no clue who he was, and until today, I knew little about him. He was simply a distraction, your attempt to divert the dialogue into a direction where you felt more comfortable.<br />
Just because he offends you does not mean I am under any obligation to defend him.</p>
<p>However, I just did look him up, a few minutes ago, and as far as I can tell from a quick scan of his Wiki bio, his scientific credentials are impeccable (he got the atmosphere of Venus issue right, didn&#8217;t he?), its only his politics that you seem to find objectionable. But TB, you find just about everybody&#8217;s politics objectionable.</p>
<p>The man is an astronomer. I must grudgingly concede a bit of personal bias there.  Astronomers do tend to have a solid grasp on the nature of data, an understanding of the process of observation, and the role the observer plays in it. I must confess I am inclined to weigh their opinions a bit heavier than I would, say, some public relations engineer on the payroll of the American Petroleum Institute.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18343</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Keep in mind those &quot;crazies&quot; are keeping your lights on.&lt;/p&gt;

Only about 15 percent of Florida&#039;s power comes from non-carbon sources, and 12 percent of that is nuclear.  26 percent of your power comes from coal.

Natural gas is cheap and plentiful now because some &quot;crazies&quot; went out and developed new processes for getting it.  The actual crazies are trying to kill that industry.

I&#039;m assuming you don&#039;t do a lot of driving any more.

The real Galt&#039;s Gulch had its own power generators.  Maybe you should be shopping for solar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind those &#8220;crazies&#8221; are keeping your lights on.</p>
<p>Only about 15 percent of Florida&#8217;s power comes from non-carbon sources, and 12 percent of that is nuclear.  26 percent of your power comes from coal.</p>
<p>Natural gas is cheap and plentiful now because some &#8220;crazies&#8221; went out and developed new processes for getting it.  The actual crazies are trying to kill that industry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming you don&#8217;t do a lot of driving any more.</p>
<p>The real Galt&#8217;s Gulch had its own power generators.  Maybe you should be shopping for solar?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18339</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its what they call &quot;liberty&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its what they call &#8220;liberty&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18337</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 04:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there&#039;s nothing to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there&#8217;s nothing to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18334</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 04:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I think about it, I felt a cool breeze just last month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I think about it, I felt a cool breeze just last month.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/14/it-always-freezes-in-winter/#comment-18332</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 04:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave a ride to a couple of hikers a bit over a year ago.  They flew in from the East Coast and needed to get to Cascade Locks and have some food stashed up toward Packwood.   One of them was the retired head of NOAAs Climate department.  I asked him about global warming.

He said there are three answers.  First, there is no doubt climate warming is occurring at a runaway rate and it is man caused.

The second answer is from the energy industry, that is normal variation and that Man has had nothing to do with it.  They follow the tobacco industry model of denial and public relations.

The third answer is from the Fundamental Christians, and that is God gave Man the Earth and it will all be fine.

He said the only question remaining from a scientific view is what will happen as a result, how Man will handle it as well as the other species.   He added no one could predict that.  It can&#039;t be stopped now.

For me, that settled it.  The crazies can do what they want, and will do what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave a ride to a couple of hikers a bit over a year ago.  They flew in from the East Coast and needed to get to Cascade Locks and have some food stashed up toward Packwood.   One of them was the retired head of NOAAs Climate department.  I asked him about global warming.</p>
<p>He said there are three answers.  First, there is no doubt climate warming is occurring at a runaway rate and it is man caused.</p>
<p>The second answer is from the energy industry, that is normal variation and that Man has had nothing to do with it.  They follow the tobacco industry model of denial and public relations.</p>
<p>The third answer is from the Fundamental Christians, and that is God gave Man the Earth and it will all be fine.</p>
<p>He said the only question remaining from a scientific view is what will happen as a result, how Man will handle it as well as the other species.   He added no one could predict that.  It can&#8217;t be stopped now.</p>
<p>For me, that settled it.  The crazies can do what they want, and will do what they want.</p>
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