Comments on: The Height of Arrogance https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/20/the-height-of-arrogance/ Fri, 17 Apr 2026 05:11:30 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: johannes https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/20/the-height-of-arrogance/#comment-19241 johannes Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:29:31 +0000 http://habitablezone.net/?p=22601#comment-19241 Why are we conscious, why are we intelligent, or are we intelligent. Are we simply autonomously programmed robots, that somehow appeared out of the mass and energy structure of this planet and this planet only. I can not even imagine what a ten billion years of evolution could do to an intelligent being, and much less what a being that is able to create something out of nothing would be like. But as far as the “image” reference is concerned; I suspect that it simply means that, since we also are able to “create” things, we are in that sense the “images” of the original creator. Why are we conscious, why are we intelligent, or are we intelligent.
Are we simply autonomously programmed robots, that somehow appeared out of the mass and energy structure of this planet and this planet only.
I can not even imagine what a ten billion years of evolution could do to an intelligent being, and much less what a being that is able to create something out of nothing would be like.
But as far as the “image” reference is concerned; I suspect that it simply means that, since we also are able to “create” things, we are in that sense the “images” of the original creator.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/20/the-height-of-arrogance/#comment-19192 bowser Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:26:48 +0000 http://habitablezone.net/?p=22601#comment-19192 The "being" who made the superstrings, the being who originated the conditions for the big bang, where does that being "live"? Is that the being who made Man in it's own image? Is that being capable of thought as we know it? Can it do that without neurons, a physical manifestation similar to ours? Or does it morph around, and define itself as whatever it is at the moment? I think you have a good point in that we do not know the circumstances of our origin. To ascribe it to some conscious being doesn't seem to me to be reasonable. "Being" and "conscious" would have to be defined in a manner we can't understand. That's my stab at it. I absolutely know the Judeo-Christian God does not exist, and suspect there is no other entity to which the term could be reasonably applied. The “being” who made the superstrings, the being who originated the conditions for the big bang, where does that being “live”? Is that the being who made Man in it’s own image? Is that being capable of thought as we know it? Can it do that without neurons, a physical manifestation similar to ours?

Or does it morph around, and define itself as whatever it is at the moment?

I think you have a good point in that we do not know the circumstances of our origin. To ascribe it to some conscious being doesn’t seem to me to be reasonable. “Being” and “conscious” would have to be defined in a manner we can’t understand.

That’s my stab at it. I absolutely know the Judeo-Christian God does not exist, and suspect there is no other entity to which the term could be reasonably applied.

]]> By: johannes https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/20/the-height-of-arrogance/#comment-19176 johannes Sun, 07 Oct 2012 01:49:44 +0000 http://habitablezone.net/?p=22601#comment-19176 Before the universe existed, there was “something” that caused the space, mass, and energy to come into existence.(in that order) We give “that something” a name that signifies far superior power and intelligence than man has ever had, or ever will have. We should hold that “named something” in high regard and reverence, since without space, mass and energy, nothing would exist. Since us humans are structured out of the “trinity” of space, mass, and energy, we are, in that respect, the creations of “that something.” That is my opinion of the creator God, at this moment in time. If better information surfaces then I may change my opinion. Scientists figure that the Earth is about 4 billon years old and the universe is about 14 billion years old, meaning that man on Earth developed into this stage within the 4 billion years, but since the universe is 14 billion years old, it means that there are planets and perhaps people on those planets that have existed 10 billion years longer than humans on Earth. Now; if some of the beings from the old planets should come here. we certainly would consider them as Gods, if for no other reason than their technology would be beyond our understanding. So, the “God” who spoke to Noah and Moses may have been a extraterrestrial. Since; those highly advanced beings would still be made out of the same space, mass, and energy that was created in the beginning, they too would be part of the same universe that we are, and in that sense would have the same “creator” as we do. Before the universe existed, there was “something” that caused the space, mass, and energy to come into existence.(in that order)
We give “that something” a name that signifies far superior power and intelligence than man has ever had, or ever will have. We should hold that “named something” in high regard and reverence, since without space, mass and energy, nothing would exist. Since us humans are structured out of the “trinity” of space, mass, and energy, we are, in that respect, the creations of “that something.”
That is my opinion of the creator God, at this moment in time. If better information surfaces then I may change my opinion.
Scientists figure that the Earth is about 4 billon years old and the universe is about 14 billion years old, meaning that man on Earth developed into this stage within the 4 billion years, but since the universe is 14 billion years old, it means that there are planets and perhaps people on those planets that have existed 10 billion years longer than humans on Earth.
Now; if some of the beings from the old planets should come here. we certainly would consider them as Gods, if for no other reason than their technology would be beyond our understanding.
So, the “God” who spoke to Noah and Moses may have been a extraterrestrial.
Since; those highly advanced beings would still be made out of the same space, mass, and energy that was created in the beginning, they too would be part of the same universe that we are, and in that sense would have the same “creator” as we do.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/20/the-height-of-arrogance/#comment-18786 bowser Wed, 26 Sep 2012 06:38:11 +0000 http://habitablezone.net/?p=22601#comment-18786 Now, what were the characteristics of that "God". Was the "God" who created super-strings from nothing the same "God" who loves Man, etc.? The same "God" who spoke to Noah and Moses? The compelling argument for Creationists is "who created all of this?" They regard that as prooff of "God". As if a "who" were necessary. Assuming there is a "who". Did that "who" speak to Mohammed, Jesus, Abraham and the rest of the boys? Seems a stretch. Now, what were the characteristics of that “God”. Was the “God” who created super-strings from nothing the same “God” who loves Man, etc.? The same “God” who spoke to Noah and Moses?

The compelling argument for Creationists is “who created all of this?” They regard that as prooff of “God”. As if a “who” were necessary.

Assuming there is a “who”. Did that “who” speak to Mohammed, Jesus, Abraham and the rest of the boys?

Seems a stretch.

]]> By: johannes https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/20/the-height-of-arrogance/#comment-18716 johannes Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:35:53 +0000 http://habitablezone.net/?p=22601#comment-18716 At least according to my understanding of Genesis; “In the beginning” means that; before that moment, there was nothing but the (creator / God / that which caused ) the space, mass and energy to come into existence. According to the scriptures, there have been seven cycles of light and darkness. The first time there was total darkness throughout the universe but the rest of the time there have only been dimming and brightening of the visible universe. At least according to my understanding of Genesis; “In the beginning” means that; before that moment, there was nothing but the (creator / God / that which caused ) the space, mass and energy to come into existence.

According to the scriptures, there have been seven cycles of light and darkness. The first time there was total darkness throughout the universe but the rest of the time there have only been dimming and brightening of the visible universe.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2012/09/20/the-height-of-arrogance/#comment-18681 bowser Fri, 21 Sep 2012 04:41:30 +0000 http://habitablezone.net/?p=22601#comment-18681 At least the "God" of the Old Testament. Now a "creator" god can never be ruled out, but if you'll notice it's domain has been pushed back from the Earth and stars to the Big Bang, and there may have been many of those. Having said that, dark matter and dark energy could occupy as much as 97% of this Universe's mass and energy. Maybe "God" is resident in there someplace. But the "God" being channeled by the prophets sure doesn't seem to have left any objective trace, and there's been a lot of looking. Not for "God", but at what is there. And sometimes folks will believe anything which can give order and structure to a confusing world. The Jewish religion talks about a "holy anxiety", the realization that Man will never understand "God" and it's arrogance to even look. At least the “God” of the Old Testament. Now a “creator” god can never be ruled out, but if you’ll notice it’s domain has been pushed back from the Earth and stars to the Big Bang, and there may have been many of those.

Having said that, dark matter and dark energy could occupy as much as 97% of this Universe’s mass and energy. Maybe “God” is resident in there someplace.

But the “God” being channeled by the prophets sure doesn’t seem to have left any objective trace, and there’s been a lot of looking. Not for “God”, but at what is there.

And sometimes folks will believe anything which can give order and structure to a confusing world. The Jewish religion talks about a “holy anxiety”, the realization that Man will never understand “God” and it’s arrogance to even look.

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