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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20541</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one  n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one  n/t</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20537</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the way to the polls...

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.careforthewild.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Orphan_eles.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;

On the way back...

&lt;img src=&quot;http://fea5f8c23a4a9b8cd1f4-8ff171b24b3719907b0fe15ae7476e70.r36.cf1.rackcdn.com/photos/articles/rhinos_from_above_display.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the way to the polls&#8230;</p>
<p><img src="http://www.careforthewild.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Orphan_eles.jpg" alt="." /></p>
<p>On the way back&#8230;</p>
<p><img src="http://fea5f8c23a4a9b8cd1f4-8ff171b24b3719907b0fe15ae7476e70.r36.cf1.rackcdn.com/photos/articles/rhinos_from_above_display.jpg" alt="." /></p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20535</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Introspection is good but it looks bad when they&#039;re all walking around banging into walls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Introspection is good but it looks bad when they&#8217;re all walking around banging into walls.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20533</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, BHO has such a hard time dealing with political opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, BHO has such a hard time dealing with political opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20530</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t try to understand the opposition.  They just say the other guy is wrong, and have at it.  
Republicans don&#039;t try to understand Democrats, although Democrats find it easier to understand the Rs.

We didn&#039;t try to understand the Iraqis, the Afghanis, the Vietnamese and consequently we got the shit kicked out of us.  Bush&#039;s &quot;they just hate freedom&quot; is a classic example of not figuring out what the opposition is about.  Republicans think that understanding equals agreeing with.

Blind stupid.  And &quot;Common sense&quot; is just being able to see things from another point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t try to understand the opposition.  They just say the other guy is wrong, and have at it.<br />
Republicans don&#8217;t try to understand Democrats, although Democrats find it easier to understand the Rs.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t try to understand the Iraqis, the Afghanis, the Vietnamese and consequently we got the shit kicked out of us.  Bush&#8217;s &#8220;they just hate freedom&#8221; is a classic example of not figuring out what the opposition is about.  Republicans think that understanding equals agreeing with.</p>
<p>Blind stupid.  And &#8220;Common sense&#8221; is just being able to see things from another point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20521</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Look...&lt;/p&gt;

We&#039;ve all got the message already. It&#039;s been pounded in here for a week now.  The Republicans are learning the Error of Their Ways and the sooner they come to the Light, the better.  Politico is hitting it particularly hard.

We don&#039;t want to be spoiling Obama&#039;s second term with things like actual political opposition, do we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all got the message already. It&#8217;s been pounded in here for a week now.  The Republicans are learning the Error of Their Ways and the sooner they come to the Light, the better.  Politico is hitting it particularly hard.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want to be spoiling Obama&#8217;s second term with things like actual political opposition, do we?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20519</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t expect you to listen to me.  But you won&#039;t even enter into a dialogue with others on your side.  You&#039;re a fanatic, TB.  It will be your downfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t expect you to listen to me.  But you won&#8217;t even enter into a dialogue with others on your side.  You&#8217;re a fanatic, TB.  It will be your downfall.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20518</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might want to notice that I haven&#039;t talked about what Jindal said at all.&lt;/p&gt;

I&#039;m talking about you and the Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to notice that I haven&#8217;t talked about what Jindal said at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about you and the Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20517</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of them.  But I put in block quotes what Jindal said, not how the Dems interpret it.

You are not addressing Jindal&#039;s comments, you are attacking a straw man--or words you&#039;ve put in a straw man&#039;s mouth.  That&#039;s cognitive dissonance.

The point I&#039;m making is that some Republicans are now questioning the rhetoric and their message.  They insulted their audience and spoke down to them, their tone was condescending and patronizing. They bullied the voters, both theirs and their opponents.  They were arrogant, and they paid the price.  And now, when its pointed out to them, they self-righteously dismiss it as simply an attempt to subvert their ideology. This is not an attack on the message.  Its an attack on the messenger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of them.  But I put in block quotes what Jindal said, not how the Dems interpret it.</p>
<p>You are not addressing Jindal&#8217;s comments, you are attacking a straw man&#8211;or words you&#8217;ve put in a straw man&#8217;s mouth.  That&#8217;s cognitive dissonance.</p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m making is that some Republicans are now questioning the rhetoric and their message.  They insulted their audience and spoke down to them, their tone was condescending and patronizing. They bullied the voters, both theirs and their opponents.  They were arrogant, and they paid the price.  And now, when its pointed out to them, they self-righteously dismiss it as simply an attempt to subvert their ideology. This is not an attack on the message.  Its an attack on the messenger.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/gops-media-cocoon/#comment-20513</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No.  The Democrats are saying that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/11/13/jindal_s_repositioning_end_dumbed_down_conservatism_without_changing_any.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a commentary&lt;/a&gt; on Jindal from Slate.

It&#039;s not enough to be conciliatory to Democrats or to sound reasonable.  You have to discard your ideas, your positions, until nothing remains that isn&#039;t basically what Democrats believe.

Jindal is discussing various positions that lie &quot;between.&quot; Matthew Yglesias, a well-known name to me, is saying that&#039;s just not good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  The Democrats are saying that.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/11/13/jindal_s_repositioning_end_dumbed_down_conservatism_without_changing_any.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a commentary</a> on Jindal from Slate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not enough to be conciliatory to Democrats or to sound reasonable.  You have to discard your ideas, your positions, until nothing remains that isn&#8217;t basically what Democrats believe.</p>
<p>Jindal is discussing various positions that lie &#8220;between.&#8221; Matthew Yglesias, a well-known name to me, is saying that&#8217;s just not good enough.</p>
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