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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/27/interesting-chart-on-political-views/#comment-21143</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel my views are progressive.  My opponents want to turn everything back to the way things were before because they disagree with my views, they are reacting to me by pushing back.  So I will call them &quot;reactionary&quot;.

And remember, this reasoning probably occured in a language other than English, where reaction may have a different connotation than it does in modern English.

For example.  In modern English, &quot;bureaucrat&quot; has a negative, perjorative connotation: a dull, hidebound, unimaginative government paper shuffle--at best.

OTOH, &quot;executive&quot; has a very positive connotation; dynamic, decisive, active leadership, usually in a business environment.

But in Spanish, the two words are used interchangeably, and neither has a positve or negative connotation associated with it.

Words are defined, sometimes arbitrarily, even as slang, and the definition sticks, and then may change through time.  When I worked as a postal clerk in high school &quot;swing&quot; meant &quot;taking a break&quot;, and &quot;swing room&quot; was the worker&#039;s lounge where you could relax with a coffee or have a smoke.  There is no real significance, language is all about usage.

French and Spanish both have semi-official Academies, a language police which decides what is good usage and what isn&#039;t.  They have been very unsuccessful at preventing slang, linguistic drift, regional dialects, borrowing from other languages, etc.  Languages evolve, like living things.  Dictionaries and schools can slow the process, but not forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel my views are progressive.  My opponents want to turn everything back to the way things were before because they disagree with my views, they are reacting to me by pushing back.  So I will call them &#8220;reactionary&#8221;.</p>
<p>And remember, this reasoning probably occured in a language other than English, where reaction may have a different connotation than it does in modern English.</p>
<p>For example.  In modern English, &#8220;bureaucrat&#8221; has a negative, perjorative connotation: a dull, hidebound, unimaginative government paper shuffle&#8211;at best.</p>
<p>OTOH, &#8220;executive&#8221; has a very positive connotation; dynamic, decisive, active leadership, usually in a business environment.</p>
<p>But in Spanish, the two words are used interchangeably, and neither has a positve or negative connotation associated with it.</p>
<p>Words are defined, sometimes arbitrarily, even as slang, and the definition sticks, and then may change through time.  When I worked as a postal clerk in high school &#8220;swing&#8221; meant &#8220;taking a break&#8221;, and &#8220;swing room&#8221; was the worker&#8217;s lounge where you could relax with a coffee or have a smoke.  There is no real significance, language is all about usage.</p>
<p>French and Spanish both have semi-official Academies, a language police which decides what is good usage and what isn&#8217;t.  They have been very unsuccessful at preventing slang, linguistic drift, regional dialects, borrowing from other languages, etc.  Languages evolve, like living things.  Dictionaries and schools can slow the process, but not forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/27/interesting-chart-on-political-views/#comment-21138</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reactionary= Emotional alcoholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reactionary= Emotional alcoholic.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/27/interesting-chart-on-political-views/#comment-21137</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any political movement or individual that spends a lot of time complicating, redefining, or actually annihilating any terminology that can be used to effectively define political ideas and concepts, is trying to hide or bury something.  Usually something obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any political movement or individual that spends a lot of time complicating, redefining, or actually annihilating any terminology that can be used to effectively define political ideas and concepts, is trying to hide or bury something.  Usually something obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/27/interesting-chart-on-political-views/#comment-21135</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I am being somewhat ocd to take it any further, but why  would the word reactionary come to describe radical right wing without having any contextual relationship to the root word react? For all the relationship the word has to react, reactionary could just as easily been chosen to describe a music lover and taxionary could be the right wing radical.

Or so it seems to me...yes, no?

And, this is a total hijacking of the original post but since I posted it I guess it is permissable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I am being somewhat ocd to take it any further, but why  would the word reactionary come to describe radical right wing without having any contextual relationship to the root word react? For all the relationship the word has to react, reactionary could just as easily been chosen to describe a music lover and taxionary could be the right wing radical.</p>
<p>Or so it seems to me&#8230;yes, no?</p>
<p>And, this is a total hijacking of the original post but since I posted it I guess it is permissable</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not merely &quot;one who reacts&quot;. I believe it&#039;s origins are in Marxist jargon, much of which was translated from German.  In Cuban revolutionary argot, they use &quot;contra-revolucionario&quot;, instead of &quot;reaccionario&quot;. The word &quot;react&quot; did not once mean &quot;respond&quot;, it was used more like Newton&#039;s &quot;equal and opposite reaction&quot;, to push back.

I&#039;ve always understood it to mean someone who &quot;wants to go back to the way things used to be&quot;, presumably, in the good old days. Of course, they are the ones who decide when the good old days were, and why they were so good.  It is always used perjoratively, and only by their opponents.  Reactionaries usually call themselves traditionalists--or patriots.  

Political definitions are fluid and tell you more about the people who coin them than the people they describe.  For example, &quot;the bourgeosie&quot; is a French word meaning &quot;the townfolk&quot;, in Spanish, &quot;la burgesia&quot; means small businessmen, bureaucrats, government employees, minor professionals, schoolteachers, and managers, etc. It has no particular political connotation or significance. Among Marxists it refers to the property-owning class that controls capital and the means of production.  You can&#039;t look up these things in Webster&#039;s and pin them down precisely, and anyone who tells you you can is trying to define the terms of debate in his favor. Don&#039;t let them get away with it.

Incidentally, Americans have this thing about dictionaries. They look something up and they think they understand what it means.  Language is a living thing, it is defined by common usage, not by scholarship. A good dictionary does not define what a word is supposed to mean, it tells you how it is used in conversation and literature, both contemporarily, and historically. Look at how the meaning of &quot;Liberal&quot; has changed since the 18th century.  This is not a perversion of the language, it is a perfectly normal linguistic drift.  In Shakespeare, many words have different meanings than they do today.

I was originally taught the political spectrum, from R to L, was Reactionary--Conservative--Moderate--Liberal--Radical.  But there is no such thing as a &quot;correct&quot; definition, there are only terms of convenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not merely &#8220;one who reacts&#8221;. I believe it&#8217;s origins are in Marxist jargon, much of which was translated from German.  In Cuban revolutionary argot, they use &#8220;contra-revolucionario&#8221;, instead of &#8220;reaccionario&#8221;. The word &#8220;react&#8221; did not once mean &#8220;respond&#8221;, it was used more like Newton&#8217;s &#8220;equal and opposite reaction&#8221;, to push back.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always understood it to mean someone who &#8220;wants to go back to the way things used to be&#8221;, presumably, in the good old days. Of course, they are the ones who decide when the good old days were, and why they were so good.  It is always used perjoratively, and only by their opponents.  Reactionaries usually call themselves traditionalists&#8211;or patriots.  </p>
<p>Political definitions are fluid and tell you more about the people who coin them than the people they describe.  For example, &#8220;the bourgeosie&#8221; is a French word meaning &#8220;the townfolk&#8221;, in Spanish, &#8220;la burgesia&#8221; means small businessmen, bureaucrats, government employees, minor professionals, schoolteachers, and managers, etc. It has no particular political connotation or significance. Among Marxists it refers to the property-owning class that controls capital and the means of production.  You can&#8217;t look up these things in Webster&#8217;s and pin them down precisely, and anyone who tells you you can is trying to define the terms of debate in his favor. Don&#8217;t let them get away with it.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Americans have this thing about dictionaries. They look something up and they think they understand what it means.  Language is a living thing, it is defined by common usage, not by scholarship. A good dictionary does not define what a word is supposed to mean, it tells you how it is used in conversation and literature, both contemporarily, and historically. Look at how the meaning of &#8220;Liberal&#8221; has changed since the 18th century.  This is not a perversion of the language, it is a perfectly normal linguistic drift.  In Shakespeare, many words have different meanings than they do today.</p>
<p>I was originally taught the political spectrum, from R to L, was Reactionary&#8211;Conservative&#8211;Moderate&#8211;Liberal&#8211;Radical.  But there is no such thing as a &#8220;correct&#8221; definition, there are only terms of convenience.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/27/interesting-chart-on-political-views/#comment-21132</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the definition is essentially what you said. My question about the word is why does it have that definition.

It would seem that a Reactionary is someone who reacts. This is something we all do and reacting is neither bad or good and has nothing to do with what we have vs what we had.

It seems that reactionary, unlike revolutionary or visionary perhaps was coined with no regard for it&#039;s root. I know this is unlikely but none of the definitions I have seen tie the word to react.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the definition is essentially what you said. My question about the word is why does it have that definition.</p>
<p>It would seem that a Reactionary is someone who reacts. This is something we all do and reacting is neither bad or good and has nothing to do with what we have vs what we had.</p>
<p>It seems that reactionary, unlike revolutionary or visionary perhaps was coined with no regard for it&#8217;s root. I know this is unlikely but none of the definitions I have seen tie the word to react.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It referred to someone who, as a rule, condemns what we have in favor of what we had in the past.  Perhaps someone was using the term with a sneer on their face and that&#039;s where the &quot;distaste&quot; comes from.  I know I experience that distaste every time someone uses the word &quot;liberal&quot; as a synonym for traitor, idiot, Marxist, or whatever the flavor of the week is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It referred to someone who, as a rule, condemns what we have in favor of what we had in the past.  Perhaps someone was using the term with a sneer on their face and that&#8217;s where the &#8220;distaste&#8221; comes from.  I know I experience that distaste every time someone uses the word &#8220;liberal&#8221; as a synonym for traitor, idiot, Marxist, or whatever the flavor of the week is.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/11/27/interesting-chart-on-political-views/#comment-21128</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>e.g.  1:  Do you love freedom, democracy and the right to vote or,
          Do you want to live as a slave to high taxes in order to pay welfare queens?
  
      2:  Would you like inexpensive gasoline and a healthy economy, or
          Would you like to pay high taxes to buy expensive gas for the Cadillacs 
          driven by welfare queens and kings?

      3:  Would you like a strong military defending your rights, freedoms and     
          democracy, or
          Would you like the United States defenseless against rogue nations and their       
          weapons of mass destruction, including but not limited to crop dusters     
          launched from ships spreading anthrax and small pox over our schools and 
          neighborhoods?

       4:  Would you rather have a God-fearing, tithing Christian who would bring  
           traditional values, support families, ban degeneracy, and make the  
           military safe for our brave boys and girls as President, or
           Would you rather have a demon-worshiping foreigner wholly without values  
           who turns the armed forces into a homosexual, gerbil ridden, haven for 
           disease practicing behavior condemned by God (and we don&#039;t mean killing)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e.g.  1:  Do you love freedom, democracy and the right to vote or,<br />
          Do you want to live as a slave to high taxes in order to pay welfare queens?</p>
<p>      2:  Would you like inexpensive gasoline and a healthy economy, or<br />
          Would you like to pay high taxes to buy expensive gas for the Cadillacs<br />
          driven by welfare queens and kings?</p>
<p>      3:  Would you like a strong military defending your rights, freedoms and<br />
          democracy, or<br />
          Would you like the United States defenseless against rogue nations and their<br />
          weapons of mass destruction, including but not limited to crop dusters<br />
          launched from ships spreading anthrax and small pox over our schools and<br />
          neighborhoods?</p>
<p>       4:  Would you rather have a God-fearing, tithing Christian who would bring<br />
           traditional values, support families, ban degeneracy, and make the<br />
           military safe for our brave boys and girls as President, or<br />
           Would you rather have a demon-worshiping foreigner wholly without values<br />
           who turns the armed forces into a homosexual, gerbil ridden, haven for<br />
           disease practicing behavior condemned by God (and we don&#8217;t mean killing)?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great line!

I remember once saying something along those lines here myself. I remarked that the old (dare I say, reactionary?) world view was finally demolished by Karl Marx, Charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud and Isaac Newton.  All for pretty much the same reasons.  They replaced a world created and planned by god with one which could be understood by scientific principles.  Of course, scientific principles are not fixed, they can be updated, revised, even replaced, but they do not rely on mysticism. They posit that the world can be understood as the manifestation of relations which arise naturally, you don&#039;t need a puppet master pulling the strings. It was the final triumph of the pre-Socratic philosophers of Ionia: there is a real world out there independent of man and the gods, and it can be observed and understood by reason. 

Newton showed us that the physical universe was not run by the diety, but was based on simple rules derivable by mathematics from observation.  Physics has progressed greatly since then, with Maxwell, Einstein and the quantum, but Newton was the breakthrough. Mechanics is not magic, its math.  

In Economics, Marx showed that the observations of Adam Smith could be explained, not just accepted as received wisdom, and that they could be related, to sociology, politics and history, in fact, were inseparable from them.  Again, there were reasons why things happened, it wasn&#039;t the will of god manifesting itself.  Trying to apply these observations into a political program led to disaster, but you can&#039;t really understand economics without his insights. Without Marx, economics becomes a blatant justification to protect the wealth and political influence of those who have already accumulated it. 

Much the same can be said for Freudian psychology.  Today it has been pretty much discredited as a means of clinical treatment, or even as a model for the human personality, but it was the first attempt to place human psychology on a scientific basis, to divorce it from the concept of the spirit and the soul and replace that with a model, albeit a 19th century hydraulic one. We have other models, today, but Freud was the first. Prior to him it was all mumbo-jumbo.

And finally, Darwinism.  Living creatures were exquisitely adapted to their environment not by the design of a creator, but by a stochastic mechanism, natural selection, one that has to work, it is inevitable.  Evolution was not the whole story, Darwin had no knowledge of Mendelian genetics, and could not conceive of molecular biology and DNA, but he was still able to see their result and effect by simple observation.  It was a triumph of the human mind.

Reactionaries have always attacked Marx, Freud and Darwin.  Not because they were mistaken, or needed correction, but because the very idea that there was an external reality capable of being understood by reason was anathema to them.  

On the other hand, Newtonian mechanics recieved very little opposition when it was introduced in the 18th century.  Perhaps it was because physics was perceived as a field which could not threaten the existing political, economic, or religious power structure.  Or perhaps because it provided such immediately verifiable proofs, a characterestic absent from philosophical speculations in economics, psychology and biology.

Or perhaps it was because Newtonian mechanics arose in an age when the ability to understand and predict its consequences was limited to an educated elite. Or perhaps because it was the Age of Reason, the Enlightenment.  Marx, Freud and Darwin are products of the 19th century, the Age of Romanticism and revolution...the age of reaction and nostalgia for a pastoral, simpler age, for a past that never really was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great line!</p>
<p>I remember once saying something along those lines here myself. I remarked that the old (dare I say, reactionary?) world view was finally demolished by Karl Marx, Charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud and Isaac Newton.  All for pretty much the same reasons.  They replaced a world created and planned by god with one which could be understood by scientific principles.  Of course, scientific principles are not fixed, they can be updated, revised, even replaced, but they do not rely on mysticism. They posit that the world can be understood as the manifestation of relations which arise naturally, you don&#8217;t need a puppet master pulling the strings. It was the final triumph of the pre-Socratic philosophers of Ionia: there is a real world out there independent of man and the gods, and it can be observed and understood by reason. </p>
<p>Newton showed us that the physical universe was not run by the diety, but was based on simple rules derivable by mathematics from observation.  Physics has progressed greatly since then, with Maxwell, Einstein and the quantum, but Newton was the breakthrough. Mechanics is not magic, its math.  </p>
<p>In Economics, Marx showed that the observations of Adam Smith could be explained, not just accepted as received wisdom, and that they could be related, to sociology, politics and history, in fact, were inseparable from them.  Again, there were reasons why things happened, it wasn&#8217;t the will of god manifesting itself.  Trying to apply these observations into a political program led to disaster, but you can&#8217;t really understand economics without his insights. Without Marx, economics becomes a blatant justification to protect the wealth and political influence of those who have already accumulated it. </p>
<p>Much the same can be said for Freudian psychology.  Today it has been pretty much discredited as a means of clinical treatment, or even as a model for the human personality, but it was the first attempt to place human psychology on a scientific basis, to divorce it from the concept of the spirit and the soul and replace that with a model, albeit a 19th century hydraulic one. We have other models, today, but Freud was the first. Prior to him it was all mumbo-jumbo.</p>
<p>And finally, Darwinism.  Living creatures were exquisitely adapted to their environment not by the design of a creator, but by a stochastic mechanism, natural selection, one that has to work, it is inevitable.  Evolution was not the whole story, Darwin had no knowledge of Mendelian genetics, and could not conceive of molecular biology and DNA, but he was still able to see their result and effect by simple observation.  It was a triumph of the human mind.</p>
<p>Reactionaries have always attacked Marx, Freud and Darwin.  Not because they were mistaken, or needed correction, but because the very idea that there was an external reality capable of being understood by reason was anathema to them.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, Newtonian mechanics recieved very little opposition when it was introduced in the 18th century.  Perhaps it was because physics was perceived as a field which could not threaten the existing political, economic, or religious power structure.  Or perhaps because it provided such immediately verifiable proofs, a characterestic absent from philosophical speculations in economics, psychology and biology.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it was because Newtonian mechanics arose in an age when the ability to understand and predict its consequences was limited to an educated elite. Or perhaps because it was the Age of Reason, the Enlightenment.  Marx, Freud and Darwin are products of the 19th century, the Age of Romanticism and revolution&#8230;the age of reaction and nostalgia for a pastoral, simpler age, for a past that never really was.</p>
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