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		<title>By: MaryAnne</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22143</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then we&#039;ll have words, and I have more than they do.

Bunches of us have been working on the literacy end of things for a long time, now, and we become more organized about it every year. I&#039;m not giving up. Others work on the other areas, too, but we all need the money. 

For all the big talk about investments, investment in human capital and a healthy society don&#039;t seem to be a concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we&#8217;ll have words, and I have more than they do.</p>
<p>Bunches of us have been working on the literacy end of things for a long time, now, and we become more organized about it every year. I&#8217;m not giving up. Others work on the other areas, too, but we all need the money. </p>
<p>For all the big talk about investments, investment in human capital and a healthy society don&#8217;t seem to be a concern.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryAnne</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22142</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All lethal. Some more than others. Some faster than others. All subject to regulation. All resistent to bans. See also: drugs. 

My point: Bad law is particularly subject to the Law of Unintended Consequences. We have a spectacular example of bad law. Let&#039;s learn from that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All lethal. Some more than others. Some faster than others. All subject to regulation. All resistent to bans. See also: drugs. </p>
<p>My point: Bad law is particularly subject to the Law of Unintended Consequences. We have a spectacular example of bad law. Let&#8217;s learn from that one.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22132</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Creating a society in which we are less likely to kill each other is the solution.&quot;

I&#039;m totally onside with you here, but do you think the &quot;nothing can be done&quot; crowd would ever honestly get behind such an idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Creating a society in which we are less likely to kill each other is the solution.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m totally onside with you here, but do you think the &#8220;nothing can be done&#8221; crowd would ever honestly get behind such an idea?</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22127</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it is kind of silly to try to legislate the essentials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it is kind of silly to try to legislate the essentials.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22118</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you on drugs? Take a look at this thread. (n/t)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you on drugs? Take a look at this thread. (n/t)</p>
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		<title>By: MaryAnne</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22113</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bank guards are the first target for robbers.

Also, depending on who they are, they are often not very good shots. Another reason not to encourage a firefight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bank guards are the first target for robbers.</p>
<p>Also, depending on who they are, they are often not very good shots. Another reason not to encourage a firefight.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryAnne</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22111</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...observed that Prohibition had produced a generation of people who routinely broke laws and had no respect for them, because they got in the habit of breaking the one law, and the suite of regulations that supported it, that made no sense.

Eventually that law was repealed, but not before it gave organized crime  a whole new model for doing business, which they transferred to other illegal activities.

Making law must always be a negotiation, in a democracy. 

When it ceases to be a negotiation, then the choice to ignore the law becomes a viable alternative to the ones upon whom the will of others is imposed. We&#039;ve also had active protests against laws, which are much more visible. That&#039;s not just me talking: that&#039;s the lesson of history.

There just doesn&#039;t seem to be the will to look at people who own guns as fellow citizens with a legitimate viewpoint, and who are being asked (or maybe told) to give things up without convincing them that it&#039;s for the greater good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;observed that Prohibition had produced a generation of people who routinely broke laws and had no respect for them, because they got in the habit of breaking the one law, and the suite of regulations that supported it, that made no sense.</p>
<p>Eventually that law was repealed, but not before it gave organized crime  a whole new model for doing business, which they transferred to other illegal activities.</p>
<p>Making law must always be a negotiation, in a democracy. </p>
<p>When it ceases to be a negotiation, then the choice to ignore the law becomes a viable alternative to the ones upon whom the will of others is imposed. We&#8217;ve also had active protests against laws, which are much more visible. That&#8217;s not just me talking: that&#8217;s the lesson of history.</p>
<p>There just doesn&#8217;t seem to be the will to look at people who own guns as fellow citizens with a legitimate viewpoint, and who are being asked (or maybe told) to give things up without convincing them that it&#8217;s for the greater good.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22109</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cracker is the foundation of civilization, the chocolate the thin barrier between civilization and the melting marshmallow of...oh,crap, I think this is a metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cracker is the foundation of civilization, the chocolate the thin barrier between civilization and the melting marshmallow of&#8230;oh,crap, I think this is a metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22108</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuclear disarmament was difficult because for the Soviets, we were the criminals who could not be trusted.  Nobody trusted the Soviets.  And yet, we came to agreement.

We live in a time of gun proliferation, in the US.  Think about that.  This will get worse and worse, as far as anyone can tell.  According to the NRA, this will make us safer.  What do you think?

I appreciate your concern that the mafia or whoever will not be party to the negotiations.  But on the other hand, after some sort of disarmament, they will stick out more and will maybe have more violations to arrest and convict them for.  

Anyhow, the hoarders of weapons aren&#039;t really arming to defend against the mafia, right?  It&#039;s their fellow citizens they are worried about.  Their solution is to hoard guns (thus adding to the climate of fear that encourages people to arm).  Mine is decrease the threat over time.

In the words of the NRAs Wayne LaPierre: &quot;So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerouscriminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other naturalor man-made disaster, and you&#039;ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.&quot;

His solution is a better armed and trained population than we have now.  And it&#039;s necessary because some kind of apocalypse is on the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear disarmament was difficult because for the Soviets, we were the criminals who could not be trusted.  Nobody trusted the Soviets.  And yet, we came to agreement.</p>
<p>We live in a time of gun proliferation, in the US.  Think about that.  This will get worse and worse, as far as anyone can tell.  According to the NRA, this will make us safer.  What do you think?</p>
<p>I appreciate your concern that the mafia or whoever will not be party to the negotiations.  But on the other hand, after some sort of disarmament, they will stick out more and will maybe have more violations to arrest and convict them for.  </p>
<p>Anyhow, the hoarders of weapons aren&#8217;t really arming to defend against the mafia, right?  It&#8217;s their fellow citizens they are worried about.  Their solution is to hoard guns (thus adding to the climate of fear that encourages people to arm).  Mine is decrease the threat over time.</p>
<p>In the words of the NRAs Wayne LaPierre: &#8220;So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerouscriminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other naturalor man-made disaster, and you&#8217;ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.&#8221;</p>
<p>His solution is a better armed and trained population than we have now.  And it&#8217;s necessary because some kind of apocalypse is on the way.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/20/nothing-can-be-done/#comment-22107</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody thinks twice about armed bank guards being a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody thinks twice about armed bank guards being a good idea.</p>
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