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		<title>By: MaryAnne</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/26/gun-insurance/#comment-22361</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess who will be having this discussion in real life, with her neighbors?

I want to get past &quot;No&quot;, to &quot;Why?&quot; and &quot;What if...?&quot;. I want to be ready for those other questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess who will be having this discussion in real life, with her neighbors?</p>
<p>I want to get past &#8220;No&#8221;, to &#8220;Why?&#8221; and &#8220;What if&#8230;?&#8221;. I want to be ready for those other questions.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/26/gun-insurance/#comment-22358</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not good reasons never to have begun selling insurance, though.  MaryAnne, you work way too hard.  There&#039;s no reason to bring up every objection that will ever be raised now.  Leave something for the future generations to quibble over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not good reasons never to have begun selling insurance, though.  MaryAnne, you work way too hard.  There&#8217;s no reason to bring up every objection that will ever be raised now.  Leave something for the future generations to quibble over.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryAnne</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/26/gun-insurance/#comment-22357</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to laugh at your last question, though.

I spent the last half-hour poking holes in the insurance proposal. I know, I know, but the devil is in the details. There are a few problems, such as whether geographic location or income will be held against an applicant, and whether the lists of policy holders will be protected information.

Urban areas have more crime, so does that support or detract from risk? Catch 22: If you feel the need to have a gun for protection, does living in a place where you need protection make it harder to afford the gun?

Will there be a graduated rate of insurance based on ability to pay, or will only Dick Cheney be able to afford a shotgun?  

We obviously don&#039;t want the lists of insured parties to be accessible to anyone unauthorized, because it would be a convenient shopping list for burglars. Gun safes are secure from random access and from amateurs, but not from pros. Sequestered and protected databases, please.

Also, the proposal to have people who don&#039;t own the guns but use them under supervised conditions, such as only at a range, take psych tests and be added as riders to the owner&#039;s policy is a little bit of a problem. People who attend events at clubs and ranges are frequently offered the opportunity to fire a rare, historical, or novelty weapon. (I shot a cannon once!) Such events are covered now under the liability insurance held by the organization that owns the club or range, without requiring a psychologist in residence.    

Evaluating psych tests given to 12-year-olds requires expertise above and beyond the normal psychologist. And who pays for that? The insurance company, I hope.

The provision to kick some of the profits into a fund for mental health care and education is especially attractive.

The insurance companies might be powerful advocates for the NIH to be re-funded for firearms safety studies. They would be able to use that information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to laugh at your last question, though.</p>
<p>I spent the last half-hour poking holes in the insurance proposal. I know, I know, but the devil is in the details. There are a few problems, such as whether geographic location or income will be held against an applicant, and whether the lists of policy holders will be protected information.</p>
<p>Urban areas have more crime, so does that support or detract from risk? Catch 22: If you feel the need to have a gun for protection, does living in a place where you need protection make it harder to afford the gun?</p>
<p>Will there be a graduated rate of insurance based on ability to pay, or will only Dick Cheney be able to afford a shotgun?  </p>
<p>We obviously don&#8217;t want the lists of insured parties to be accessible to anyone unauthorized, because it would be a convenient shopping list for burglars. Gun safes are secure from random access and from amateurs, but not from pros. Sequestered and protected databases, please.</p>
<p>Also, the proposal to have people who don&#8217;t own the guns but use them under supervised conditions, such as only at a range, take psych tests and be added as riders to the owner&#8217;s policy is a little bit of a problem. People who attend events at clubs and ranges are frequently offered the opportunity to fire a rare, historical, or novelty weapon. (I shot a cannon once!) Such events are covered now under the liability insurance held by the organization that owns the club or range, without requiring a psychologist in residence.    </p>
<p>Evaluating psych tests given to 12-year-olds requires expertise above and beyond the normal psychologist. And who pays for that? The insurance company, I hope.</p>
<p>The provision to kick some of the profits into a fund for mental health care and education is especially attractive.</p>
<p>The insurance companies might be powerful advocates for the NIH to be re-funded for firearms safety studies. They would be able to use that information.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2012/12/26/gun-insurance/#comment-22353</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t come up with any serious objections so far. 

The proposal seems narrowly focused on gun owners having to get liability insurance. Under the existing system, gun manufacturers have gotten a lot of protection from liability through their Congressional whores, but I&#039;d like to see that removed to level the playing field, so that injured parties are able to come after both the gun owner and the manufacturer of the gun used in the offense. The manufacturers need their feet held to the fire, too, to ensure their good behavior in areas like safety features, and to stop playing the game of evading every restriction with weasel-wording and clever designs.

What could go wrong turning the problem over to private industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t come up with any serious objections so far. </p>
<p>The proposal seems narrowly focused on gun owners having to get liability insurance. Under the existing system, gun manufacturers have gotten a lot of protection from liability through their Congressional whores, but I&#8217;d like to see that removed to level the playing field, so that injured parties are able to come after both the gun owner and the manufacturer of the gun used in the offense. The manufacturers need their feet held to the fire, too, to ensure their good behavior in areas like safety features, and to stop playing the game of evading every restriction with weasel-wording and clever designs.</p>
<p>What could go wrong turning the problem over to private industry?</p>
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