Comments on: “Arctic Ice Gain Sets New Record” https://habitablezone.com/2013/05/28/arctic-ice-gain-sets-new-record/ Fri, 03 Apr 2026 22:41:18 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ER https://habitablezone.com/2013/05/28/arctic-ice-gain-sets-new-record/#comment-24322 ER Thu, 30 May 2013 02:23:02 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=33299#comment-24322 The ice recovery graph Watt posted is an attempt to cherry pick a statistic that looks impressive. As I pointed out, (and the Jaxa graph I posted shows)winter ice high point always hovers around 14 million sq km. (After 6 months of darkness its going to be <em>cold</em>, no matter what global warming is up to. So the deeper the melt, the taller the recovery. That's definitely a BS meter pegger. Since we began measuring ice extent by satellite, (1979) the (September)low sea ice extent has broken all previous September records in '84,'85,'90,'95,'02,'05,'07 and last year, 2012. When the record is smashed on the average once every 4 years, it's pretty safe to say the system has not stabilized yet. THis data is conclusive, as far as I'm concerned. As long as that blue line keeps dropping, we have a problem. Unless, of course, that satellite data is being deliberately faked by the statists so they can raise your taxes and steal your freedom. <img src="http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2000/09/Figure3-350x261.png" alt="." /> http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2000/09/Figure3-350x261.png The ice recovery graph Watt posted is an attempt to cherry pick a statistic that looks impressive. As I pointed out, (and the Jaxa graph I posted shows)winter ice high point always hovers around 14 million sq km. (After 6 months of darkness its going to be cold, no matter what global warming is up to. So the deeper the melt, the taller the recovery. That’s definitely a BS meter pegger.

Since we began measuring ice extent by satellite, (1979) the (September)low sea ice extent has broken all previous September records in ’84,’85,’90,’95,’02,’05,’07 and last year, 2012. When the record is smashed on the average once every 4 years, it’s pretty safe to say the system has not stabilized yet.

THis data is conclusive, as far as I’m concerned. As long as that blue line keeps dropping, we have a problem. Unless, of course, that satellite data is being deliberately faked by the statists so they can raise your taxes and steal your freedom.

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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2000/09/Figure3-350×261.png

]]> By: RobVG https://habitablezone.com/2013/05/28/arctic-ice-gain-sets-new-record/#comment-24321 RobVG Thu, 30 May 2013 01:43:42 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=33299#comment-24321 But the first graph on your link shows a different story. But the websites have my BS meter pegging. But the first graph on your link shows a different story.

But the websites have my BS meter pegging.

]]> By: ER https://habitablezone.com/2013/05/28/arctic-ice-gain-sets-new-record/#comment-24315 ER Wed, 29 May 2013 04:52:17 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=33299#comment-24315 Note that the spread in ice levels in March is about one and a half million sq km (15 to 13.5). The spread in mid-September is about four million sq km. The winter variation is much smaller than the summer variation. IOTW, the winter ice extent, although showing a small down trend, is always (roughly) 14 million sq km. The summer extent has been dropping from 7.5 to 3.5 million sq km. By asymmetrical, I meant the summer variation is much more sensitive than the winter. This is why summer ice extents are such a useful indicator of warming. The effect is even more dramatic when you plot ice <em>volumes</em> instead of areas, although volume data depends partly on models, while area is a direct measurement from a satellite. The latter is not open to dispute, while the models are always being attacked as biased. <a href="http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> Note that the spread in ice levels in March is about one and a half million sq km (15 to 13.5). The spread in mid-September is about four million sq km. The winter variation is much smaller than the summer variation. IOTW, the winter ice extent, although showing a small down trend, is always (roughly) 14 million sq km. The summer extent has been dropping from 7.5 to 3.5 million sq km.

By asymmetrical, I meant the summer variation is much more sensitive than the winter. This is why summer ice extents are such a useful indicator of warming.

The effect is even more dramatic when you plot ice volumes instead of areas, although volume data depends partly on models, while area is a direct measurement from a satellite. The latter is not open to dispute, while the models are always being attacked as biased.

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]]> By: RobVG https://habitablezone.com/2013/05/28/arctic-ice-gain-sets-new-record/#comment-24314 RobVG Wed, 29 May 2013 04:26:20 +0000 http://habitablezone.com/?p=33299#comment-24314 I'm not sure why you say ice melt/accumulation is "asymmetrical"? n/t I’m not sure why you say ice melt/accumulation is “asymmetrical”? n/t

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