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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24659</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to that, guns in the hands of private citizens will be worthless.

What has the US done in Iraq and Afghanistan?  One shot, no one knows what the target may have been, and hordes of US military are kicking down doors and arresting anyone in sight.

Have one of your militia take a shot at a convoy and see how his neighbors like the retaliation.

It&#039;s sort of like a hijacking.  The hijackers kill someone, anyone, right off to demonstrate that your life has become worthless and any resistance will be met with lethal force.  Immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to that, guns in the hands of private citizens will be worthless.</p>
<p>What has the US done in Iraq and Afghanistan?  One shot, no one knows what the target may have been, and hordes of US military are kicking down doors and arresting anyone in sight.</p>
<p>Have one of your militia take a shot at a convoy and see how his neighbors like the retaliation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of like a hijacking.  The hijackers kill someone, anyone, right off to demonstrate that your life has become worthless and any resistance will be met with lethal force.  Immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24657</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point was that Robert has the same fear of government intrusion when it comes to his personal information.

If you acknowledge the danger of the misuse of government power in the case of spying on it&#039;s citizens, then you validate the fear of them coming for your guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was that Robert has the same fear of government intrusion when it comes to his personal information.</p>
<p>If you acknowledge the danger of the misuse of government power in the case of spying on it&#8217;s citizens, then you validate the fear of them coming for your guns.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24654</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As evidenced by the Japanese Americans in WWII, our Constitutional rights exist only by permission of the Federal government.
If they decide to take your guns, they will take your guns and/or your life.  Either way they will silence you.
And if they decide to do it, they will have persuaded the majority it is in the interest of security.
100 million gun owners will only have to see 10 or 12 Predator missles take out the homes and families of known gun owners who took a stand to rethink their position.
You may think you both have a right to gun ownership and it is protection against the government.  Both those are true until the Feds decide it isn&#039;t.
Ask the Japanese Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As evidenced by the Japanese Americans in WWII, our Constitutional rights exist only by permission of the Federal government.<br />
If they decide to take your guns, they will take your guns and/or your life.  Either way they will silence you.<br />
And if they decide to do it, they will have persuaded the majority it is in the interest of security.<br />
100 million gun owners will only have to see 10 or 12 Predator missles take out the homes and families of known gun owners who took a stand to rethink their position.<br />
You may think you both have a right to gun ownership and it is protection against the government.  Both those are true until the Feds decide it isn&#8217;t.<br />
Ask the Japanese Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24653</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weren&#039;t raising hell by overthrowing governments, protecting the interests of multinational companies and busily making as many enemies as possible, losing the hearts and minds of billions in an effort to protect corporate interests,

they wouldn&#039;t be needed.

However, just as we need illegal immigrant workers to keep wages low, we need enemies abroad to justify spending an unconscionable amount of money on &quot;defense&quot;, which is not being spent on &quot;defense&quot; except against enemies our actions have created.

It&#039;s all folly, being sold as &quot;defense&quot;, &quot;safety&quot; and &quot;security&quot;.  And it will go on as long as people are told the same story from birth.

However, the cast will change.  The US is being marginalized, has less economic clout, less to export and is less able to protect Western interests.  Those same multinationals for which the military is working now will abandon the US as soon as it is economically feasible to ally with other countries.

America could have accomplished the same thing with libraries and hospitals as it did with bombs and troops kicking in doors, and slept even better, but chose to continue war and violence as a means of national influence.

Sad, but it&#039;s in the adolescent genes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weren&#8217;t raising hell by overthrowing governments, protecting the interests of multinational companies and busily making as many enemies as possible, losing the hearts and minds of billions in an effort to protect corporate interests,</p>
<p>they wouldn&#8217;t be needed.</p>
<p>However, just as we need illegal immigrant workers to keep wages low, we need enemies abroad to justify spending an unconscionable amount of money on &#8220;defense&#8221;, which is not being spent on &#8220;defense&#8221; except against enemies our actions have created.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all folly, being sold as &#8220;defense&#8221;, &#8220;safety&#8221; and &#8220;security&#8221;.  And it will go on as long as people are told the same story from birth.</p>
<p>However, the cast will change.  The US is being marginalized, has less economic clout, less to export and is less able to protect Western interests.  Those same multinationals for which the military is working now will abandon the US as soon as it is economically feasible to ally with other countries.</p>
<p>America could have accomplished the same thing with libraries and hospitals as it did with bombs and troops kicking in doors, and slept even better, but chose to continue war and violence as a means of national influence.</p>
<p>Sad, but it&#8217;s in the adolescent genes.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24598</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24595</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I see, *your* fear is rational. n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see, *your* fear is rational. n/t</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24592</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I have seen roadkill on the information superhighway.

It&#039;s pretty silly to lump together, on the one hand, the first, fourth, and fifth amendments that are individually vital and also together add up to a right to privacy being shredded today; versus the phony reinterpretation of the second amendment that the NRA started pushing in the 1970s, which retired SC Justice Burger called &quot;one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American people by any special interest group that I have ever seen in my lifetime.&quot; (For a good time google &quot;burger second amendment fraud&quot;).

Nor is it entirely rational to lump together Snowden&#039;s words plus documents, which the NSA to its credit didn&#039;t bother trying to deny (but proceeded directly to rationalize and minimize), therefore an undisputed transgression by the government against the American people; with the paranoid belief that the Socialist Kenyan Usurper has a secret plan to take away all yer guns. A conspiracy theory isn&#039;t in the same league as a documented and undisputed leak.

This argument&#039;s over a decade old. I was against the Patriot Act, and I think that time has validated my concerns. Events today were inevitable and flow directly from the precedents set in those dark days.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I have seen roadkill on the information superhighway.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty silly to lump together, on the one hand, the first, fourth, and fifth amendments that are individually vital and also together add up to a right to privacy being shredded today; versus the phony reinterpretation of the second amendment that the NRA started pushing in the 1970s, which retired SC Justice Burger called &#8220;one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American people by any special interest group that I have ever seen in my lifetime.&#8221; (For a good time google &#8220;burger second amendment fraud&#8221;).</p>
<p>Nor is it entirely rational to lump together Snowden&#8217;s words plus documents, which the NSA to its credit didn&#8217;t bother trying to deny (but proceeded directly to rationalize and minimize), therefore an undisputed transgression by the government against the American people; with the paranoid belief that the Socialist Kenyan Usurper has a secret plan to take away all yer guns. A conspiracy theory isn&#8217;t in the same league as a documented and undisputed leak.</p>
<p>This argument&#8217;s over a decade old. I was against the Patriot Act, and I think that time has validated my concerns. Events today were inevitable and flow directly from the precedents set in those dark days.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24591</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a familiar debate, security versus freedom. Tempting to lapse into a written German accent und riff about how iff you haff nussing to hide, vy von&#039;t you ansah the question, hmmmm? But that&#039;d be repeating myself ad nauseum.

Besides, am I the only one to see the irony of quoting George Orwell right about now? You know, the guy who wrote &lt;i&gt;1984&lt;/i&gt; about a fictional precursor to today&#039;s surveillance state? Ring any bells?

Do you think maybe the NSA wasn&#039;t quite the benevolant-yet-rough night watchman that Orwell had in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a familiar debate, security versus freedom. Tempting to lapse into a written German accent und riff about how iff you haff nussing to hide, vy von&#8217;t you ansah the question, hmmmm? But that&#8217;d be repeating myself ad nauseum.</p>
<p>Besides, am I the only one to see the irony of quoting George Orwell right about now? You know, the guy who wrote <i>1984</i> about a fictional precursor to today&#8217;s surveillance state? Ring any bells?</p>
<p>Do you think maybe the NSA wasn&#8217;t quite the benevolant-yet-rough night watchman that Orwell had in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24590</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, wouldn&#039;t want them to take your guns...n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, wouldn&#8217;t want them to take your guns&#8230;n/t</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/06/18/always-worth-reposting/#comment-24587</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just don&#039;t think we are that important enough to be *followed*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just don&#8217;t think we are that important enough to be *followed*.</p>
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