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	<title>Comments on: Interesting Fact of the Day re: Canadian Health Care Act</title>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25018</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 00:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My discussions have always been as an American consumer of American medical care compared to Canadian consumers of Canadian medical care.

None of them would trade.  And they have had relatively minor complaints, true.  I misspoke.  None of them rose to the level of wanting to change.

I&#039;m sure the owners of Rolls-Royces can find something to bitch about, but doubt many would trade for a Ford.  Not that Canada&#039;s medical care is a Rolls - - - it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My discussions have always been as an American consumer of American medical care compared to Canadian consumers of Canadian medical care.</p>
<p>None of them would trade.  And they have had relatively minor complaints, true.  I misspoke.  None of them rose to the level of wanting to change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the owners of Rolls-Royces can find something to bitch about, but doubt many would trade for a Ford.  Not that Canada&#8217;s medical care is a Rolls &#8211; - &#8211; it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25017</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 00:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read a fair amount about how the medical plan was achieved.  Thousands, literally thousands of lobbyists were sometimes even camped in front of the offices of legislators and various committees.  The reason the health care issue is so clobbered up is due to large corporations and their money, pursuing self-interest ahead of anything else.

And their legislators.

An enormous amount of money was spent to prevent less expensive medical care and limited access to medical care.  By Conservatives.  One of many stains on America&#039;s history, on the same order of magnitude for its&#039; time as slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read a fair amount about how the medical plan was achieved.  Thousands, literally thousands of lobbyists were sometimes even camped in front of the offices of legislators and various committees.  The reason the health care issue is so clobbered up is due to large corporations and their money, pursuing self-interest ahead of anything else.</p>
<p>And their legislators.</p>
<p>An enormous amount of money was spent to prevent less expensive medical care and limited access to medical care.  By Conservatives.  One of many stains on America&#8217;s history, on the same order of magnitude for its&#8217; time as slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25015</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 23:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 10% of my complex residents are Canadian snowbirds, mostly Quebecois.

I talk to them about their health plan when they&#039;re down here for the winter.

Do they complain about Canadian National Health? Oui.

Do they want an American-type system?  Non!

QED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 10% of my complex residents are Canadian snowbirds, mostly Quebecois.</p>
<p>I talk to them about their health plan when they&#8217;re down here for the winter.</p>
<p>Do they complain about Canadian National Health? Oui.</p>
<p>Do they want an American-type system?  Non!</p>
<p>QED.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25014</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 23:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not what you think it is, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not what you think it is, either.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25013</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve talked with a lot of Canadians about this, and none have complained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve talked with a lot of Canadians about this, and none have complained.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25011</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A decent analysis would include the lower-level law and regulations.

Canada isn&#039;t really &quot;Medicare for all.&quot; It&#039;s more like &quot;Medicaid for all,&quot; operating mostly at the provincial (state) level.

How is funding dispensed from the central government, and what&#039;s involved in making sure those general terms are met by the provincial programs? Is it still simple at that level, or is there a huge bureaucracy that&#039;s involved?

From the little I&#039;ve found (not inspired to overwork this), their approach seems very light-handed, which may be as much cultural as legislative.  The last two Ministers of Health have been Conservatives, by the Canadian definition of course.

Something like 30 percent of health care in Canada is still privately funded. It&#039;s around 50 percent in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A decent analysis would include the lower-level law and regulations.</p>
<p>Canada isn&#8217;t really &#8220;Medicare for all.&#8221; It&#8217;s more like &#8220;Medicaid for all,&#8221; operating mostly at the provincial (state) level.</p>
<p>How is funding dispensed from the central government, and what&#8217;s involved in making sure those general terms are met by the provincial programs? Is it still simple at that level, or is there a huge bureaucracy that&#8217;s involved?</p>
<p>From the little I&#8217;ve found (not inspired to overwork this), their approach seems very light-handed, which may be as much cultural as legislative.  The last two Ministers of Health have been Conservatives, by the Canadian definition of course.</p>
<p>Something like 30 percent of health care in Canada is still privately funded. It&#8217;s around 50 percent in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not what a lot of people think it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not what a lot of people think it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25009</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I skimmed the document and studied parts of it, and found that it grants the government, and one Minister in particular, extraordinary powers. I&#039;m a little surprised you approve.

&lt;i&gt;The law grants extraordinary power because the law is so short.&lt;/i&gt; It can deal only with generalities, and grant only sweeping powers. Here&#039;s the essential core of the Canadian health care system:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In order to satisfy the criterion respecting comprehensiveness, the health care insurance plan of a province must insure all insured health services provided by hospitals, medical practitioners or dentists, and where the law of the province so permits, similar or additional services rendered by other health care practitioners.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are three more similar sections, each mandating 100% universality, portability, and accessibility in the same &lt;i&gt;simple&lt;/i&gt; terms.


The essentials of ObamaCare could, no doubt, also be expressed in six pages.  And probably would be a better law for it...but you&#039;d hate it even more. It grew to 2,000 pages in Congressional conference committees, dominated by conservatives determined to fence in the Obama administration at every turn. The American style is to micromanage the law in an attempt to assuage the fears of all concerned. And so we get laws that are 2,000 pages long.

I don&#039;t think that demanding that the text of laws must fit on a bumper sticker in order to &quot;rein in government&quot; is going to work out like you hope it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I skimmed the document and studied parts of it, and found that it grants the government, and one Minister in particular, extraordinary powers. I&#8217;m a little surprised you approve.</p>
<p><i>The law grants extraordinary power because the law is so short.</i> It can deal only with generalities, and grant only sweeping powers. Here&#8217;s the essential core of the Canadian health care system:</p>
<blockquote><p>In order to satisfy the criterion respecting comprehensiveness, the health care insurance plan of a province must insure all insured health services provided by hospitals, medical practitioners or dentists, and where the law of the province so permits, similar or additional services rendered by other health care practitioners.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are three more similar sections, each mandating 100% universality, portability, and accessibility in the same <i>simple</i> terms.</p>
<p>The essentials of ObamaCare could, no doubt, also be expressed in six pages.  And probably would be a better law for it&#8230;but you&#8217;d hate it even more. It grew to 2,000 pages in Congressional conference committees, dominated by conservatives determined to fence in the Obama administration at every turn. The American style is to micromanage the law in an attempt to assuage the fears of all concerned. And so we get laws that are 2,000 pages long.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that demanding that the text of laws must fit on a bumper sticker in order to &#8220;rein in government&#8221; is going to work out like you hope it will.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/13/interesting-fact-of-the-day-re-canadian-health-care-act/#comment-25003</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all, it works very well for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all, it works very well for them.</p>
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